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dont care what kind, modern or very old or replica, tell us about your 45/70. i have a stevens 44/1/2 with a gain twist barrel from smith out of canada. i shoot paperpatched bullets and it is a tack driver and fun to shoot. what do you have and what do you shoot in it. 50/70s are allowed to be talked about here also as well as 40/90s and others. straight cartridges that are fun to shoot. nothing better to reload than a straight case cartridge.
 

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i like 1885 winchesters. so got a Uberti in 45-70. like shooting it a lot, except it is a punishing recoil bad-boy. cast and shoot 350 and 405 gr bullets. i do NOT load hot, not even a little bit. even with mid range loads it is stout. given the chance i will get another single shot or a 1885 in a different caliber. just my addiction.
 

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I no longer have a 45-70 but, I shot several quite enthusiastically for probably 20 years. A Shiloh Sharps Long Range Express, H&R Officer's Model trapdoor, 1895 Marlin, a couple 1886 Winchesters and a Browning 1885. Mostly I shot BP or 34 grs. of IMR-3031 and some forgotten charges of IMR-4198 and Reloader 7. Bullets were all cast except for the Marlin and, from 405 to 520 grains. When I bought my Montana Roughrider from Shiloh I had it chambered for the 45-90. Haven't had a 45-70 since. My "go to" load for the 45-90 has always been 80 grs. of the old GOEX Cartridge until recently when I finally used up the last of it. Now it's the same charge of Old Eyensford. It's my hunting rifle and I've always shot an NEI, 480 gr. cast bullet. That bullet has about a 35 cal. meplat and is a dead certain killer.

I also have a Shiloh #1 Sporter in 40-70 SS. I set it up for target work with MVA front and rear sights. The load for it is 62 grs. of Olde Eyensford under a Lyman, 410 gr. cast bullet.

In straight wall or bottleneck, BP, rifle cartridges I've loaded for or still load for; 45-100, 500 BPE, 450 BPE, 450/400 BPE, 11.15 X 60R, 10.5 X 58R, 10.5 X 47R, 9.3 X 57R/360, 38-55, 8.15 X 46R and 500/450 Martini/Henry. I can't help believing I've forgotten some as I used to do a lot of load work up for others who had old rifles but didn't know what to do with them or how to do it. Oh, one of those was an original 1885 Winchester in 40-90 SS. It was owned by the grandson of the man who bought it new in western Kansas.

Yes sir, those old cartridges are a lot of fun and anyone who thinks they are ineffective simply has no clue as to what he's talking about.
 

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i like the detailed info. im very curious about the ruger number 1. what twist rate do they make those rifles in for 45/70. also if i read right, a 45/90 bullet in 480 grain. most shoot too big a bullet, long ago a old timer much older than me said a 475 grain bullet will shoot as far as you can see very very accurate in the 45 cal balck powder guns. ive kept to that in 1/18 twist rifles. mine is a 1/22 twist. most dont shoot that slow a twist. mine is a gain twist. starts at 1/26 and ends at the muzzle in 1/22. i shoot a swagged by me 425 grain hollow based bullet. very short nose that is round. the lip on the hollow base is not thin but quite stout. i use two wraps of wood fiber paper number nine and dry wrap them tight. the left over is tucked into the base. i use blackhorn 209 powder. have shot duplex loads of black with 7 grains of shot gun powder at the bottom of the case. its a good load but i like the 209 powder better. have shot reloader 7 and its very accurate also. little too powerful for fun shooting. recoil is more than i like. the back of my barrel is throated to 459 for about 1 inch. that way the paperpatched bullet can enter the bore with out a problem ever. i learned that from the harry pope book i read about him. it works good. my barrel is .4585 at the bottom of the grooves. i never use lube on the paperpatched bullets. once with real black and a 525 grain bullet in my 1/22 twist barrel at 200 yards from a rest i got nickle size groups. after 250 yards the bullet went every which way. learned that from pope also. so that is why i shoot a 425 grain bullet. it may not be quite as tight out to 200 yards but it keeps going and doing well. ive never shot compitition. ive shot at prairie dog mounds way way out their and hit them. well thats my shooting the 45/70. thanks for all the info. again what is the twist rate of the rugers. oh yes the small left over pumpkins from the garden make wonder way way out their targets. easy to see and the right size. neveer wanted anything longer than a 45/70 case. just use reloader 7 and it will match the longer cases. learned that from a small but informative book i got on paperpatching. it taught me how to paperpatch. i paperpatch two fast twist muzzleloader also.
 

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I meant on your end. Does not look heavy enough to soak up the recoil.
 
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I have a low 1885 in .32-20 that's just a real pleasure to shoot. Thought about getting a .45-70 but kinda glad i didn't.
hand me down 32-20 from great granddad is what got me started. the bore looks like a sewer pipe but does not seem to be a problem. fun to shoot....you bet! the 1885 single shot is magnificent!!!

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