Does anyone else get the feeling . . .

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pistolenschutze, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. . . . that the government is purposely not telling us just how precarious the economy really is right now? Yes, I know, that is a "duh" question in a way; the government never tells the stupid sheeple the truth, but here I mean something a bit deeper. I get the distinct feeling that this country, and many other countries abroad, are teetering on the brink of a complete economic collapse, one perhaps even worse than that of the 1930s. This nation just committed to trillions (that's a 1 with 12 zeros, a thousand billions) of dollars in new spending. Has anyone asked where that money is supposed to come from? The "money tree" in the White House Rose Garden, perhaps? Money is only a symbol of value, not value in and of itself. It has to to represent something tangible--goods and services--or ultimately it is just so much wastepaper. A wise man once said that if one has dug himself into a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging! Hold on to your hats, boys and girls, the ride is going to get very rough indeed. :(
  2. Gewehrwolf

    Gewehrwolf New Member

    Feb 21, 2009
    To be quite honest, I don't think they know how bad it is themselves. We seem to be in a state of flux with the goverment just making it up as they go along. How else could they explain the constant shifting of plans everyday with no focus on one direction or path. It's like a game to keep everyone guessing all the time.

    The longer they can keep the "Sheeple" dumbed down with American Idol, Dacing with the stars, Super Bowl etc............the longer they can play out the rope till there's enough to hang everyone.

  3. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    Pistol, I don't get that feeling at all. I think the constant drone of the word 'crisis' from the mouth of our President, even at the urging of others to tone it down, is not done to help us bring ourselves out of a collapse but to further aid in a collapse. Like I've said here, our GDP (<- primary economic recession indicator) will continue to spiral until consumer confidence returns, and like it or not, consumer confidence has very little to do with the actual state of things but much more on the perceived economic state. We've been talked into a recession over the course of about 2 years. If we're told to stop spending, then we cause a recession.

    I believe the world's leaders have realized that its much easier to operate in a global economy when banks are centralized and they have the ultimate transparency. The inequity of income between countries presents a problem when trying to merge our global financial markets as some such as Gordon Brown would have us work toward. We've seen through NAFTA and Asian trade agreements that economies of other countries can be built up through injecting their markets with jobs but that hasn't worked fast enough to equalize countries' standards of living. I fear that what we're currently seeing is a concerted effort to bring us down to a level more on par with other countries such that a combined world financial system would be easier to implement. And if we have a one-world financial system, so goes that there will be a world government in the future...
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2009
  4. oldogy

    oldogy New Member

    Jan 10, 2009
    East TN
    No argument and nothing to add.
  5. Popgunner

    Popgunner Active Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    I remember while I was a missionary in South America in the erly 1980's. The rich people all knew the government was devalueing their money (the Uruguayan peso) & so they converted everything they could to US dollars. In one day their peso dropped to 1/3 it's value the day before. The rich got richer & the poor regular folks were so busy working trying to make ends meet they just plodded on without much complaining. They still made the same wages but goods became more expensive. This has happened often in that area of the world. Seems like the rich just trying to get richer.
    The situation we're in now is different though. It does seem that those in power may be just trying to knock the legs out from under the USA & other world stabilizing countries. The perfect storm may have arrived.
  6. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

    Dec 26, 2003
    Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs.
    Let's ask this....

    ...that the government is purposely telling us just how precarious the economy almost is right now so they can use fear to rapidly push their liberal agendas through the house/senate that otherwise would never get funding?

    If the economy was truly precarious, the republicans would not have wasted so much time making a 100% stand until the end...if it was such catastrophe upon us, they would've just voted yes and went back to work.
  7. icm856

    icm856 New Member

    Feb 15, 2009
    You are defiantly not alone. I agree with everything you said.
  8. Lori Mick

    Lori Mick New Member

    Nov 7, 2008
    Stuck in Upstate NY for a while
    I think they kept us in the dark back in the fall about the 500 billion theft of the World banks....if they hadn't caught it and stopped it would have crippled us by 2pm.

    So going back in time, that first tarp was most likely to subsidize the near monetary explosion.

    The recept pork bill is just a pork bill. It might stimulate the economy about 25%...but it's short term. The jobs they boast they are going to create is bogus.
    They need to let the capitalists take over again....and insight some positive injections with tax breaks for capital gains and payroll taxes.

    This government control feels like a master plan to pull out the rug from us so they can take over....seems to me the Mighty O wants to be just like Lincoln and have that civil/racial war! Remember that horrible website the other day? His followers want to kill us! They might be kids but they're dangerous.

    Unless it can be stopped! It HAS to be stopped!

    People are becoming more aware....and that is a GOOD thing!

    :D tea party time!
  9. GunHugger

    GunHugger Well-Known Member

    Jul 18, 2007
    SW PA

    I agree, and will add that is all about socialism. Our new name is the USSA.
  10. SaddleSarge

    SaddleSarge New Member

    Aug 24, 2008
    Pony, me thinks your sig line says it all. We'll be burning what money we have pretty soon just to stay warm because it isn't going to worth anything to be used otherwise.:(
  11. momo

    momo Former Guest

    Sep 18, 2007
    Well, look at it this way, how many of our Congressmen and Senators ever operated a business. I'll bet not many. They never had to make a payroll, never had to make expenses, never had to do anything except make laws that handcuff the rest of us and spend other peoples' money. And our new chief executive's resume reads community activist, lawyer, state legislator, senator. God help us.
  12. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

    Sep 11, 2002
    Colorado Rocky Mountains
    Are you saying that some of us can take off our tin-foil hats now?
    That there REALLY IS someone trying to destroy America?
  13. That is precisely what is happening, Delta, and the American Sheeple fell for it, lock, stock, and barrel. I do think, however, that the reality of how bad it is--or has the potential to be very, very quickly--is much worse than anyone realizes, including the idiots we sent to Washington in 2008. In the final analysis, the true basis of money is faith, the deep-seated belief of those who accept it and use it that it may be exchanged for tangible goods and services. Once that faith is lost, we are in deep, deep kimchi. I think that is happening as we speak, and as inflation increases over the next year or so, as it must, that lack of faith will increase exponentially. Read about what happened to the German economy in the 1920s if you want a case in point. We all know what that ultimately led to. :(
  14. fmacsin1

    fmacsin1 New Member

    Oct 25, 2008
    Moosehead Lake, Maine
    I don't think there is just one person/reason that has brought our country to the edge. This economic crisis has been caused by greed, greed in high places mostly. The money America has spent this last decade has come from the U.S. borrowing it from other nations, including some in the Middle East. I mean, how else could the U.S. afford two wars and fight terrorism at 1 billion dollars a day for the last few years? There is so much "stuff" we still don't know about because, I believe, it does go on behind closed doors. Obama is nothing but a puppet, just as GWB was. No one man can run/ruin this nation no matter what we may think! Politics is just a game for the "behind the scenes" wealthy. Which brings me to full circle: greed. Yes, "government is the problem"; it will probably not be the solution! bin Laden was correct, you ruin this country through its financial base. He got it wrong; he tried to blow up the buildings! He had the right idea but the wrong method.
  15. jacksonco

    jacksonco New Member

    Jul 11, 2007
    Jackson County West Virginia
    I would like to contibute to what has been posted here but I feel that my thoughts have been thoroughly covered by the previous postings. I think we have a long ways to fall before we can pick ourseves up again.
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