rhinoman
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This is somewhat of a spin-off from Favorite .45 load in the 1911 forum. I'd like to here what you guys have to say and also reasons for your choices. From what I've read the 230 gr Hydroshok is the best all-around self-defense cartridge.
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.
MTaylor
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For self defense?
Cor-bon Pow'RBall in both .45acp and 400 Cor-Bon barrels.
LIKTOSHOOT
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Golden Saber 230grain widemouth hollow-point
Nicknamed years back...."The Flying Ashtray"
Brass jacketed, no feed problems.
Serious energy dump
been around for years....many years a secret.
LTS
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Love the Federal Hydra Shock, great round that has always worked for me. Bought a 500 round case a few months ago to top off my current supply.
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I prefer the original "Black Talon" that Winchester produced a few years back (before they succumbed to the pressure of the media touting the round as an evil demon) (I do have a limited personal supply of them). Second place is a tie between the .45 rounds produced by Cor-bon and Remingtons' Golden Saber hollow point. Federal Hydro Shocks comes in third place, followed by Winchester Silvertips. Anything after these rounds is a free for all and of no particular consequence as far as I'm concerned.
rhinoman
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ruffitt, I don't know how true this is but I heard the reason the original Black Talon was discontinued was because it was puncturing surgical gloves and Dr's fingers! I've heard that to remove bullets Dr's feel with their fingers for the bullet, than pull it out with forceps. Again, I don't know if this is true or not but it's what I've heard. Which Cor-bon or Golden Saber? 230gr? What do you guys think of the Federal 165gr PDA. It's the only thing I can find around here!
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.
IShootBack
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I had a bad experience with winchester silvertip 185 grain hollow point ammo purchased from wallyworld - around 20 bucks for 20 rounds - marketed as personal defense rounds.
The stuff fragmented as soon as it left the barrel. I shot some at IDPA targets. Starting at 25 yards, only a few fragments hit the target. At 5 to 7 yards the round held together like buckshot.
I read a lot of good stuff about Cor Bon ammo.
Guns cause crime, like spoons made Rosie fat
Edited by: IShootBack at: 1/5/03 6:47:30 pm
mpprr
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I've used both the Cor-Bon 165-grain +P Pow'RBall and the Winchester USA brand 230-grain JHPs. I also like the Hydra-Shocks. The USA 230-grainers are currently filling my Kimber's magazines.
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To tell you the truth I buy whatever is cheapest. Currently all my mags are loaded with some GI surplus hardball.
Ignorance is a crime in 49 states. In the other one it is bliss.
mpprr
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"Amen" to that, Warpig. My budget strained at $20 for 20 rounds of Cor-Bons. The local Academy Sports and Outdoors locations here (AL) sell 50-round boxes of the USA JHPs for $16 and 50 rounds of Blazer FMJs for $9.
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Anyway you look at it, a .45 hole in yer chest is huge
I have seen the light and currently have mine loaded with WInchester FMJ's.
Guns cause crime, like spoons made Rosie fat
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Black Talons had no more of an edge when expanded
than any other JHP round. The spin about them being
any more sharper/dangerous in surgical situations is
false, nothing more than media scare tactics to the
inocently ignorant public as an added twisted tool
of lies in an attempt to aid in adding more fuel/strong
arm tactics in order to get the then so called AW/Ban/
Klinton 94-so called crime bill passed, nothing more.
The Winchester BT was/is one of, if not THE best
defence round ever, and in my opinion still is.
Tac
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rhinoman
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I'm sure your right Tac!
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.
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This is somewhat of a spin-off from Favorite .45 load in the 1911 forum. I'd like to here what you guys have to say and also reasons for your choices. From what I've read the 230 gr Hydroshok is the best all-around self-defense cartridge.
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.
MTaylor
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For self defense?
Cor-bon Pow'RBall in both .45acp and 400 Cor-Bon barrels.
LIKTOSHOOT
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Golden Saber 230grain widemouth hollow-point
Nicknamed years back...."The Flying Ashtray"
Brass jacketed, no feed problems.
Serious energy dump
been around for years....many years a secret.
LTS
mgjohn
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Love the Federal Hydra Shock, great round that has always worked for me. Bought a 500 round case a few months ago to top off my current supply.
ruffitt
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I prefer the original "Black Talon" that Winchester produced a few years back (before they succumbed to the pressure of the media touting the round as an evil demon) (I do have a limited personal supply of them). Second place is a tie between the .45 rounds produced by Cor-bon and Remingtons' Golden Saber hollow point. Federal Hydro Shocks comes in third place, followed by Winchester Silvertips. Anything after these rounds is a free for all and of no particular consequence as far as I'm concerned.
rhinoman
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ruffitt, I don't know how true this is but I heard the reason the original Black Talon was discontinued was because it was puncturing surgical gloves and Dr's fingers! I've heard that to remove bullets Dr's feel with their fingers for the bullet, than pull it out with forceps. Again, I don't know if this is true or not but it's what I've heard. Which Cor-bon or Golden Saber? 230gr? What do you guys think of the Federal 165gr PDA. It's the only thing I can find around here!
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.
IShootBack
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I had a bad experience with winchester silvertip 185 grain hollow point ammo purchased from wallyworld - around 20 bucks for 20 rounds - marketed as personal defense rounds.
The stuff fragmented as soon as it left the barrel. I shot some at IDPA targets. Starting at 25 yards, only a few fragments hit the target. At 5 to 7 yards the round held together like buckshot.
I read a lot of good stuff about Cor Bon ammo.
Guns cause crime, like spoons made Rosie fat
Edited by: IShootBack at: 1/5/03 6:47:30 pm
mpprr
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I've used both the Cor-Bon 165-grain +P Pow'RBall and the Winchester USA brand 230-grain JHPs. I also like the Hydra-Shocks. The USA 230-grainers are currently filling my Kimber's magazines.
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To tell you the truth I buy whatever is cheapest. Currently all my mags are loaded with some GI surplus hardball.
Ignorance is a crime in 49 states. In the other one it is bliss.
mpprr
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"Amen" to that, Warpig. My budget strained at $20 for 20 rounds of Cor-Bons. The local Academy Sports and Outdoors locations here (AL) sell 50-round boxes of the USA JHPs for $16 and 50 rounds of Blazer FMJs for $9.
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Anyway you look at it, a .45 hole in yer chest is huge
I have seen the light and currently have mine loaded with WInchester FMJ's.
Guns cause crime, like spoons made Rosie fat
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Black Talons had no more of an edge when expanded
than any other JHP round. The spin about them being
any more sharper/dangerous in surgical situations is
false, nothing more than media scare tactics to the
inocently ignorant public as an added twisted tool
of lies in an attempt to aid in adding more fuel/strong
arm tactics in order to get the then so called AW/Ban/
Klinton 94-so called crime bill passed, nothing more.
The Winchester BT was/is one of, if not THE best
defence round ever, and in my opinion still is.
Tac
TFF VMBB Email Tac
rhinoman
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I'm sure your right Tac!
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.