Give 'em up!!!!!!!

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    will270win
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    Whose got prairie dogs in Arizona, New Mexico, Cali, or Nevada? I don't know a thing about these critters but I can surely learn to shoot 'em right.


    kdub01
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    Gonna be tough hunting them in Arizona - ain't got too many and most are protected. The black-tailed dog is prohibited. The Gunnison's prairie dog has a season from Jul 1 to Mar 31, then again from Jun 16-30. Best areas would be north of I-40, between Kingman and Williams. Be very careful, as the state has introduced the Blackfooted Ferret in the area to be re-established and the feed on the dogs. They are strictly protected.
    "Keep Off The Ridgeline"


    will270win
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    (2/27/03 10:15:57 pm)
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    You mean there's more than one kind?


    kdub01
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    (2/27/03 11:14:38 pm)
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    Yup!
    "Keep Off The Ridgeline"


    will270win
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    (2/28/03 8:56:45 am)
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    Is there a season on the coyotes around Kingman? I heard they is pretty big from eating sod poodles.


    Bob In St Louis
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    (2/28/03 9:37:52 am)
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    Is there an open season on Demo-cats? I surely would like ta hunt some Democats. They sure is some wiley two-legged critters!


    kdub01
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    (2/28/03 3:27:51 pm)
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    Open season on wiley coyotes and demo-cats! Bring plenty of ammo and shoot often!
    "Keep Off The Ridgeline"


    bullelk
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    Will270, How you doing?

    What are you doing? Spending some time around Kingman. That's a nice area around thewre. Been thru it a couple of times on my way out west. Knock off a couple for me.

    Edited by: bullelk at: 2/28/03 5:08:29 pm


    will270win
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    My friend knows this place for sod poodles but I really want the whistle mutts. I wouldn't mind popping a few of them dirt squirrels though. I think I might even get hooked on 'em.


    Smokin Guns
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    Will270, If your really want to get into shootin' "dirt squirrels"...I've got co-workers who make an annual pilgrimage out west to shoot em up. I can hook ya up with em if ya want...


    will270win
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    (3/1/03 11:08:13 am)
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    Sounds like a plan SG; hook it up!


    LIKTOSHOOT
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    (3/1/03 11:13:25 am)
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    Doing crows here......have them by the hundreds, testing a new shotgun yesterday.......extra full choke (unknown it was installed) that and number 4`s do a number......POOF-feathers......had to move down to IM......but had to shoot a few with that EF.......black air explosions.....LOL

    LTS


    Smokin Guns
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    I think they go to some guy's private land in Utah...I'll check monday and have em e-mail ya. They are around the same age as you, and love to waste them little doggies...


    will270win
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    (3/1/03 11:59:52 am)
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    SG, Sounds good to me, Utah ain't to damn far out there either.

    LTS, I wish we couls should the crows here, they call them Ravens and protected them. Damned scavenger birds is all they are.


    280freak
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    Will -

    Don't they differentiate between those critters where you are? They aren't actually quite the same birds. Gonna cut and paste a little something for ya here -

    What is the difference between a crow and a raven?

    Crows and ravens, although in the same genus (Corvus) are different birds. (Think of leopards and tigers; both are in the genus Panthera, and are obviously related, but they are quite distinct animals.) The words "crow" and "raven" themselves have little or no real taxonomic meaning. That is, the Australian "ravens" are more closely related to the Australian "crows" than they are to the Common Raven (Corvus corax). In general, the biggest black species, usually with shaggy throat feathers, are called ravens and the smaller species are considered crows.

    Common Ravens can be told from American Crows by a couple of things. The size difference, which is huge, is only useful with something else around to compare them with. Ravens are as big as Red-tailed Hawks, and crows are, well, crow sized. The wedge-shaped tail of the raven is a good character, if you can see it well. Crows sometimes show an apparent wedge shape to the tail, but almost never when it is fanned as the bird soars or banks (except for a brief time during molt in the summer).

    More subtle characters include: ravens soar more than crows. If you see a "crow" soaring for more than a few seconds, check it a second time. Crows never do the somersault in flight that Common Ravens often do. Ravens are longer necked in flight than crows. The larger bill of the raven can be seen in flight, but it is actually less apparent than the long neck. Raven wings are shaped differently than are crow wings, with longer primaries ("fingers") with more slotting between them. As my neighbor said, "Ravens are the ones whose wings you can see through." The longer primaries make the wings look more bent at the wrist than a crow as the bird flies, and the "hand" portion can look nearly pointed.

    If seen perched in a good look, the huge bill and shaggy throat of a raven are diagnostic. The upper and lower edges of the bill are parallel for most of their length (3/4?) in ravens, while in crows the downward curve starts somewhere around 2/3 of the way out for males, and about halfway for females.

    But remember, ravens are pretty uncommon around here [Ithaca, NY]. If you see a "really big crow!", chances are good that it really is a crow. Yes, there are large crows and small ones, but you couldn't ever tell which was which. Any difference in size (380g - 660g is the weight range around here; 800 - 950 mm wingspan) among individuals is not detectable, in that the range of appearance of a single crow (by fluffing or sleeking its feathers) is greater.

    American Crows make the familiar "caw-caw," but also have a large repertoire of rattles, clicks, and even clear bell-like notes. However, they never give anything resembling the most common calls of Common Ravens. The most familiar call of a raven is a deep, reverberating croaking or "gronk-gronk." Only occasionally will a raven make a call similar to a crow's "caw" but even then it is so deep as to be fairly easily distinguished from a real crow. Ravens also make a huge variety of different notes. It has been said (attributed to native Americans) that if you hear something in the forest that you cannot identify (assuming you know all the common forest sounds), it is a raven.

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    bullelk
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    280,

    All of a sudden you'rn a anttropologist or sometn like dat???


    will270win
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    (3/1/03 2:32:40 pm)
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    They sure do sound funny, that's for shore! I wish I could kill 'em , they is a shore lot of 'em out here.

    How's life been Gino? I missed yer post somehow so I will bust a few sod poodles fer ya.


    280freak
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    Gino -

    Nah, just know how to use a search engine is all!


    will270win
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    (3/1/03 3:38:26 pm)
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    The birdman of TFF!


    280freak
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    (3/1/03 4:55:12 pm)
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    Hey, Will, you ever heard of how I catch wild turkeys out of the air with my bare hands? (Well, okay, so I only did it once, but still, .......)


    will270win
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    (3/1/03 5:27:02 pm)
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    This old fellow down in Alabama uses a trot line, corn and a machette. Not much would surprise me after sein' this guy operate that trot line.

    So how'd you do it? Moment of luck or skill?


    280freak
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    (3/1/03 8:08:35 pm)
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    Will -

    I'd claim skill, but that might just be stretchin' the truth a bit much!

    I went digging in the archives to get the original post about "the episode", but couldn't find it, so I'll give ya the short version -

    Last summer, my dog was acting real squirrely by a tree down by my barn. Had the shotgun in my right hand when an immature wild turkey came a'flyin' out of the tall grass by the tree and flew just off to my left. With no thought, just reacting on instinct, I grabbed that sucker out of the air with my left hand! I'm sure it'll never happen again, but hey, as long as I've done it once, I can always say that I can do it, right?


    bullelk
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    Yeah 280,

    But you know what she said. "Tried it once and didn't like it"


    280freak
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    Gino -


    will270win
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    (3/1/03 11:34:14 pm)
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    A bird dude is an ornithologist, I jest looked it up.

    Them was a good catch fer shore!


    bullelk
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    (3/2/03 8:07:23 am)
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    I thought a Ornithsomething was a dentist??


    will270win
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    (3/2/03 10:38:08 am)
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    I think thatsa orthodontist. I remember ornitologist because we once built a model airplane that was an ornithopter because the wings flapped. It did not fly well.


    bullelk
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    (3/2/03 1:21:20 pm)
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    Isn't that supposed to be Orthodentist ?? :


    will270win
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    (3/2/03 2:04:03 pm)
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    Could be!
     
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