Gun laws in Sweden

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by The_swede, Aug 2, 2004.

  1. The_swede

    The_swede New Member

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    Greetings, everybody!

    I was asked to share swedish guns laws with you guys. Let`s start off with what you have to do to be able to get a gun in Sweden...

    To start with, you have to be 18 yrs or older to qualify in to getting a gun.

    Second: You have to have been "clean" for atleast 5 years. If you have a license and get arrested, even down to beeing to drunk so the police take you in and place you in custody over the night, you could lose you`re license and they will take you`re gun. No compensation given for the weapons they take.

    Third: You have to be a member in a shooting club and follow their rules. That includes taking a newbie (spelling?) course. That will cost you about 250$. You have to pass the shooting test and the theorethical (spelling, again...) test in order to get passed. Once you have passed you get a green card. Then you have to have been a member for 6 months and have passed another, more difficult shooting test (called "gold series") in order to be able to buy youre first gun. Oh, i almost forgot, you have to have done 4 competitions in that weapons class to be able to buy the gun. But since you have been a member no longer than 6 months, you can not buy anything else that a .22 pistol or revolver... This can vary between diffrent clubs though, i think. Anyways. After a year you can buy any gun you want that is legal in Sweden, but only if you have participated in 4 or more competitions for that weapons class.

    So, let`s say i have been a member in a club for 1 year, passed all the test and done 4 competitions with a A-gun, for example a Glock 17. Now all i have to do is send in an activity card to the board (the ones who decide things =)) in my club, give them the exakt dates for the competitions i have participated in, and show them my proof of a gold series (the one i mentioned before) that is no older than 1 year (forgot to tell you that you have to update you`re gold series every year, an instructor have to see you shooting the gold series and then he, and only him, can make a nothe about it in a shooting card that everyone has.), and then they will probably give you a note that says you are an active member of the club and have passed the test that is needed.
    Before you do this, you have to know what gun you want since that guns serial number have to be on the note you get from the club.
    So, off to the police station. At the policestation you give them the note from you`re club and pay them about 30$, then they will come back to you in a couple of weeks and hopefully give you a license on that gun. Oh, i almost forgot, you have to show them a invoice on a safety cabinet (?) You have to have all youre weapons in such a cabinet in sweden by law.
    The police can come knock on you`re door to check if you are stooring youre weapons correctly, if not they will take all youre guns and press charges.

    Well, i think that is about it. And if you want to get another gun, you have to get a new note from you`re club. Smooth, right?

    Another thing, if decide not to be a active member, the police can come knocking on you`re door after 2 years and take you`re guns away.

    If you want two 9 mm guns, you have to motivate it, or else they wont give you a license on two guns of the same caliber. The max ammount of weapons you can have is 11 now i think, including huntingrifles and so on, but they are about to cchange it to 6 or 8, can`t remember which...
    I`m sure i left some of all the stupid rules out, but i think this gives you a pretty good idea how it works in sweden.

    If you guys have any questions, just post them and i will answer them as soon as i can.

    //Mattias
     
  2. pickenup

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    First off, Welcome to TFF swede. Hope you like it here.

    Now if I got this right, you have to be “actively” competing, to be able to own (and then keep) any guns.

    Is there any hunting there?

    During the first year of membership (since you do not own a gun yet) does the club “loan” you a gun to shoot with? Or do you borrow one? Or what. What happens if you do not shoot good enough to pass the test? Is there a certain number of times you have to do it in? Or do you just keep trying until you pass?

    What is the “spelling” test all about?

    Who do you buy the gun from? Once you let them know that you want to buy it, can he sell it to someone else? Or does he have to hold onto that gun until you either get accepted or denied? (since you have to have the serial number BEFORE you buy it)

    Once you pass all the test and such, do they HAVE to give you a license, or can they arbitrarily decide that you can not have one?
     

  3. The_swede

    The_swede New Member

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    Thank you.

    You have to be actively competing to buy own and keep all sorts of handguns. Maybe i was unclear on that. When i typed "gun", i ment small firearms, such as pistols and revolvers. To own a hunting rifle/shotgun, you only have to take one test in your lifetime, and that is it. Same rules applies regarding stooring the weapons though.
    We are not allowed to hunt with handguns in sweden, only certain types of rifles/shotguns.

    Yes, there is alot of hunting. I hunt myself.

    Yes, you can loan a gun from the club during certain trainingdays.
    You can keep trying untill you pass the test, no problem there. The theory test costs money to take a re-test on though.

    Hehe, the "spelling" i mentioned was just something i wrote in () to let you guys know that i was unsure if i spelt a certain word correctly. =)
    So spelling has nothing to do with the tests...

    You can buy a gun from a gunshop or from a private person. What you do is that you pay for the gun you want (if bought from a store) to have, he gives you the license for the gun, and along with that and all the other papers you need, you hand it in to the police, and when you get you`re license you can collect youre weapon. If you buy it from a private person you most likley just give him a percentage of the whole sum and pay him the rest when you have the license on the gun.
    So, yes. He have to hold on to that gun untill i either get accepted or denied. He can´t sell it to someone else even if he wanted to. He gave me his license on that gun...=)

    For you`re last question. If you follow all the rules i posted above nad meet the criteria - meaning that you haven`t been arrested and convicted for anything the last 5 years - you will get you`re license. Well, if you somewhere along the road have been convicted for murder or anything else that is on the higher crime-grade they won`t give you a license on a gun regardless for how long you have been "clean".

    I hope i answered you`re questions to youre satisfaction.

    //Mattias
     
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  4. SouthernMoss

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    Thanks for your very detailed explanations, Swede. Welcome to TFF! :)
     
  5. pickenup

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    Well it sounds like it can take some time to purchase a handgun. But at least there are procedures in place so that you can buy one. I could be worse, I guess. Thanks for the answers. I learn something new everyday.
     
  6. offeror

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    Thank you; that is interesting, and of course to us it sounds unnecessarily slow and complicated. I was thinking of joking that we in America pass through the training and .22 phases of our education quite naturally as children (and free of charge, without a "green card") -- but attacks on our freedom by people like Senator Feinstein make humor on this topic sadly inappropriate. I hope you do not feel that your system is excessively harsh; but to many of us (except perhaps those who live in California) it probably seems so.

    I grew up in a natural familiarity with BB guns and .22s, shooting on farmland or in the countryside, sometimes using the natural backstop of a high earthen railroad berm. By the time I was a teenager in the mid-1960s, my father had trained me (thank you Dad) on a Winchester model 12 pump shotgun and an M1 .30 carbine for hunting and for the defense of our household, in case the civil rights demonstrations turned into riots in the neighborhoods. Luckily for us and any would-be looters, the guns were never needed for that here in Indiana.

    My feeling in general about gun restrictions and licensing is that it is very easy for some non-shooters to give away freedoms when life is peaceful and people feel safe, and it is almost impossible to repeal laws to get your freedom back when times change (as they always do), and social conditions make living more dangerous.

    Life is becoming more challenging in terms of personal safety, not less so. Ironically, this is the very fact that makes the liberal few believe that disarming all the people is the answer, while others believe conditions suggest exactly the opposite. We who still champion the Second Amendment prefer not to create a nation of victims without a choice in the matter.

    I'm sure our Founding Fathers understood this lesson of history, that as time goes by society becomes more violent, morals tend toward decay, and power still tends to corrupt the arrogant. The Founders must have included our Second Amendment protections with those aspects of human nature well in mind. Nothing about humans has changed in 200 years to make those protections less vital; in fact, quite the contrary.

    While many good Americans ARE uneducated about guns these days, through simple lack of ownership or familiarity, combined with the false comfort of two oceanic buffers, there may sooner or later be circumstances in which the reverse will be the order of the day.
     
  7. RobW

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    Welcome, Swede. Stick around here, nice folks.

    It always puzzles me that these European countries consider themselves as members of the "Free World". Sweden is not even that bad as my old country, Western Germany.

    The following is the state of the laws when I left the country:

    If you want to hunt in Germany, you have to take classes on several evenings a week for at least one year, and volunteer in maintaining the hunting-ground. You have to learn that a female wild boar is a "Bache", the baby boars are "Frischlinge", a group of deer is a "Sprung"... Just "Jägerlatein" (Hunters-Latin) to keep out ordinary "citizens". About 70% of the applicants for a hunters-license fail the first examination.

    If you want to shoot targets, you have to join a gun club. After one year of membership and REGULARLY join training AND competition the club "commitee" may recomend, that you should eligible to purchase a firearm. But, before that you have to have an examination by a government approved intructor (only theory, no practical shooting).

    So, you go to the government office, especially doing nothing else than that, and you have to tell them what you want to buy (according to the "commitee recommandation"). After a lesson, that it is totally unnecessary to have a private gun (remember? "if you want to shoot, join the SS") you'll get the card for a specified model of a gun. If you are REALLY in the shooting sport, and also want to shoot rifle, and the "commitee" of the club approves it, you are allowed to the maximum of 2 handguns, and 2 long guns. They call it "Regelbedürfnis" (regular demand). Additionally, one of the "public servants" decides, how many rounds you will be allowed to buy. It becomes quiet Quixotic when you try to reload. A story, taking a few days to explain.

    In principle the "public servants" haven't changed since the glory days of the Third Reich.

    Too bad that even here in the US we have become "servants of the political royalty".

    There is nothing politicians fear more than an armed citizenship.
     
  8. brendan_harkin

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    Sounds a long drawn out process but at least you can own a handgun. In Ireland I will never have the opportunity to own one!
     
  9. m91/30

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    I hope no politician in the Socialist State of California sees this. . . The last thing we need is their getting new ideas on gun control! Welcome, Swede.

    Offeror, it isn't being taught anymore so I will give a VERY brief class on the Bill of Rights (BOR).
    Most importantly, without the promise of a BOR the Constitution would NOT have been ratified by a majority of the states. Many states already had BORs as part of their Constitutions. Remember, not too long before we had overthrown a tyrannical government. So the main purpose of the BOR was to give WE THE PEOPLE the ability to prevent our government from becoming tyrannical and failing that, to ultimately provide us the means by which we could defend ourselves from it.

    Grace and peace,
    Ralph

    "A government big enough to give you anything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
     
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  10. mrkirker

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    Swede,
    If I may ask, have you seen any published figures that relate to the % of crime in which a firearm is used? It would be interesting to see if your county's crime rates match the areas in Amercica that have restrictive laws?

    Thanks!
     
  11. flannelman

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    Thanks for the info. I didn't realize all you had to go through. This is definately an educational thread and I also would be interested in the crime stats.
     
  12. Millwright

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    Welcome aboard, Swede !! Thank you for the rundow !

    Seems like whoever wrote some aspects of Swedish gun law was a fan of Joseph Heller. Having to show proof of competing with a gun of a particular class before being able to purchase one seems like a "Catch -22" to me. >MW
     
  13. AL MOUNT

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    Thank you Jesus ....... :eek:

    That our long dead fore-fathers had the wisdom to write our 2nd Amendment.... :rolleyes:
     
  14. alvagoldbook

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    interesting.

    i don't know how I'd feel about Sweden's gun laws if I was a Swede. Sweden has pretty low crime rates, and I doubt that Swedes fear their government very much. The government probably fears the Swedes.

    It would be interesting to get a general overview of gun laws in various countries, like Canada, Japan, and the European countries.

    the best system I've ever heard of is what Switzerland has. Everyone is a member of the militia, and everyone is armed. I suppose that's why they can stay neutral in war. No one is crazy enough to invade them.
     
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  15. Sleepless

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    I can answer how a swede would feel about the gun laws in Sweden but I am not sure if I am allowed to express those words here. :mad:

    I am a Swedish Canadian as I was born in Sweden 29 yrs ago but for the last 10 yrs I have been living in Canada, the crime rate is going up, I don't have the statistics but right now in my hometown we have 12 yr old kids mugging 20+ yr old people with knives and as of late a block or two from my house there, there has been two shootings, one guy made it and one died but the suspect fled at both times on a moped.

    I am going back for a vacation and to show my fiancee but I am not sure anymore if I will ever live there again, I will probably stay in Canada or possibly move to the US.

    I just wish I was allowed to express those words about how I feel but oh well, I think you can tell what they would be.
     
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