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the second one is a 7 shot revolver i think .22. i can find no manufacturer markings on it at all except for the serial number 17453 under the pistol grips and on the cylander.

i would apreciate any information i can get... ok the pics didnt show they are also in my albums

Welcome to TFF.

Your 2nd gun looks like a Smith & Wesson Model No. 1, Second Issue in abused condition with the cylinder installed backwards.

(I'm not certain that's possible, but try reversing it)

 

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i looked at it and if you try to reverse the cylinder it wont close or advance to the next shell

Then it must be a copy of the S &W No. 1, as the cylinder stop notches are at the rear on a S&W. There were a couple of copies by other firms, but they also have the notches at rear.

 

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and looking at the S&W the top of the second edition is more like how the first edition was made, but it has the second edition access to the inner workings... ty i now know alot more about it then i did

Found it:

It's the Second Model Manhattan or American Standard Tool copy, distinguished by an extra set of cylinder notches to allow stopping of the cylinder between rounds.

And some are unmarked.

 

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Well POOP----beat to the post again by someone with faster fingers:

You're probably using all your fingers (slows you down)