H414 vs IMR 4831

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by The_Rifleman, Apr 3, 2010.

  1. The_Rifleman

    The_Rifleman Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    I was tired of keeping the temperature of my cartridges somewhat constant with the H414 anyway, but I have changed over to IMR 4831 for my Hornady 190gr SPBTs for the summer at least. It seems that H414 is even more sensitive at higher temperatures. (Today the temperature got above 80º, (I had developed that load at 70º.))
    Since I've switched, I have noticed a big difference.

    Here is the target from earlier today at 100 yards using H414. I was trying to get a zero after missing my 400 yard shot, then missing a 300 yard shot.


    I was getting a sticky bolt so I then took the rest of the cartridges I had loaded and pulled the bullets to make a totally new load.

    I had a lot of IMR 4064 that shoots well in the Springfield & Eddystone no matter what the temp but I also had some IMR 4831 that I bought for the heavier bullets that my twist will not stabilize, so I went for it.

    Long story short; I shot 3 shots to get my zeros at 100, 200 and 300 yards.
    I sure hope IMR 4831 is temperature friendly like IMR 4064 has been!
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2010
  2. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    That's interesting. I use H414 for many of my loads and never detected that much of a difference between hot and cold weather. But maybe I attributed poor scores on the target to my shooting. Now I have another excuse! YEA!

    Hodgdon has been working towards temperature compensating powders in recent times. Unfortunately it does not appear yet to be for any of my favorite ball powders. Here is the list from their website of Extreme" Hodgdon powders that are temperature compensating:



    This Extreme Extruded propellant has gone through some changes since its inception, all the time maintaining the same important burning speed of the past. The kernels were shortened for improved metering and necessary elements were added to make it extremely insensitive to hot/cold temperatures. H4198 is outstanding in cartridges like the 222 Remington, 444 Marlin and the 7.62 X 39. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour


    This powder has won more bench rest matches than all other propellants combined. It provides match grade accuracy in small and medium capacity cartridges like the 223 Remington, 6mm PPC and the 7mm TCU. As a fine extruded powder, it flows through powder measures with superb accuracy. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour


    As the name implies, this Extreme Extruded propellant was developed for precision cartridges. As such, it is ideally suited for benchrest and small varmint cartridges like the 6mm PPC, 22 PPC, 6mm BR, 223 Rem. and 222 Rem. Additionally, it performs superbly in the 204 Ruger and with light match bullets in 308 Winchester. With small, easy metering granules, competitors will love how it flows through progressive presses. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.


    This is a most versatile rifle powder. This member of the Extreme Extruded line powder is great for 17 Remington, 250-3000 Savage, 308 Winchester and 458 Winchester, to name just a few. It is amazingly accurate in every cartridge where it is listed in our data. It had its origin in the 30-06 as a military powder and was the first powder Bruce Hodgdon sold to the loading public. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.


    The first of Hodgdon's revolutionary Extreme Extruded Powders, VARGET features small extruded grains for uniform metering, insensitivity to hot/cold temperatures and higher energy for improved velocities over other powders in its burning speed class. Easy ignition and clean burning characterize other features that translate into superb accuracy, higher scores and more clean, one shot kills. The perfect powder for competitive Match shooting 223 Remington and Heavy bullets. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 223 Remington, 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and many more. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.


    This Extreme Extruded propellant is a burning speed that has been known to shooters for decades. During that time, Hodgdon has modernized H4350 by shortening the grains for improved metering and making it insensitive to hot/cold temperatures. H4350 is ideal in the WSM family of calibers (270, 7mm, 30, 325). H4350 is the standard in such cartridges as the 243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, 270 Winchester, 338 Winchester Magnum and many more. For magnums with light to moderate weight bullets, it can't be beat! Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.

    H4831™ & H4831SC™

    It is probably safe to say more big game has been taken with H4831 than any other powder. Bruce Hodgdon was the first supplier to introduce this popular burning rate in 1950. Since that time it has become a favorite for cartridges like the 270 Winchester, 25-06 Remington, 280 Remington and 300 Winchester Magnum. As an Extreme Extruded propellant it shares the fine quality of insensitivity to hot/cold temperatures, as well as superb uniformity from lot to lot.
    H4831SC - Ballistically, this Extreme Extruded powder is the exact copy of H4831. Physically, it has a shorter grain size, therefore, the designation SC or short cut. The shorter, more compact kernels allow the powder to flow through the powder measures more smoothly, helping to alleviate the constant cutting of granules. With the smoother flow characteristics comes more uniform charge weights, while the individual grains orient more compactly, creating better loading density. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.


    This very slow burning Extreme Extruded powder is perfect for highly overbored magnums like the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm STW and the 30-378 Weatherby. In addition, with heavy bullets, H1000 gives top velocity and performance in such cartridges as the 6mm-284, 257 Weatherby, 270 Winchester, and 300 Winchester Magnum. In a short period of time this powder has achieved considerable notoriety among long range match shooters. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.


    This magnum powder was designed expressly for the really large overbored cartridges such as the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum, 300 Remington Ultra Magnum, 30-378 Weatherby Magnum, etc. RETUMBO adds 40-100 fps more velocity to these cartridges when compared to other normal magnum powders. In addition, it is an Extreme Powder, making it perfect for big game hunting under all types of conditions. Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.


    As the name implies, this new generation Extreme Extruded rifle propellant is a clean burning powder designed expressly for the 50 caliber BMG cartridge. Because it shares the same technology as VARGET, H50BMG displays a high degree of thermal stability in temperature extremes. Tests have conclusively proven that H50BMG yields very low extreme spreads in velocity and pressure. All this translates into small groups at extended ranges! Available in 1 lb. & 8 lb. containers. Take the Extreme Tour.

    Note that Hodgdon is now the distributor for Winchester and IMR powders, too. Hodgdon makes no powder themselves. Their powders can be made in almost any country but most recently more are being made in the USA.


  3. The_Rifleman

    The_Rifleman Well-Known Member

    Feb 10, 2010

    That looks like a good candidate for a replacement if the IMR 4831 doesn't pan-out. My Hornady handbook has that listed for the 190gr bullet.

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