Have you had enough?

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Wylbur, Apr 12, 2009.

  1. Wylbur

    Wylbur New Member

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    I suppose many of you saw the 20/20 report "If I Only Had a Gun."

    Have you had enough?

    The mainstream media has misleading (if not outright lying to) the general public for too many
    decades now on the gun rights issue. I believe that it is well past time for us to make our
    voices heard.

    We should have an organized rally - a march for fairness in the way this issue has been treated
    by the mainstream media. We could call it "A March Against Media Bias."

    ABC needs to be made a focal point, and mentioned as a prime example of that bias.

    BTW: I made several posts within the forum for that episode, and all of my posts were deleted
    (CENSORED) by the moderators for the forum. I wonder why. [chuckle]

    How 'bout it: Are you ready to march?
     
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    BobMcG Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Missed it. I don't watch the A--hole Broadcasting Company.
     

  3. Wylbur

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    Hi Bob;

    I've always felt that ignoring problems in the hopes that they will go away is a bad idea.

    Thanks.
     
  4. bigbore480

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    This is only the beginning. Soon many republicans will start caving and join the liberals. They are doing this on other issues. We have to keep the pressure on full force state as well as federal. In the popular battle we are losing, all that saves us is that we still are a republic. Democracy would remove this right tomorrow.
     
  5. Wylbur

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    Hi Big Bore;

    That's true - and very insightful.

    I've always felt that the mainstream press has been very pivotal in the
    battle for public opinion (for obvious reasons). The thing of it is: It's a
    problem that we should not have. If the mainstream press behaved
    responsibly, and acted in a manner that is consistent with it's prescribed
    role in society, then the problem would not exist.

    (I know what you're thinking: I'm being unrealistic in my desire for a perfect
    world - but I can dream can't I?)

    If the press is acting irresponsibly, then they should be called on it.

    This is a classic example of the question: Who is watching the watchers?

    In this instance, we'll have to assume that role - or else ...

    Thanks.
     
  6. alhefner

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    I agree that "We the people" must watch the watchers and call them out on lies or simple mistaken assumptions.

    My current personal crusade is with the web site of the San Francisco Chronicle - SFGate.com. They will only publish articles that adamantly oppose firearms of all kinds but have no issue at all with stating false information in those articles.
     
  7. Wylbur

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    Hi Al Hefner;

    Good - that's a start - but we need something bigger. We ned a major event
    that will get people's attention - and get the attention of "the powers that be"
    within the media - something like the "Million Mom March". The media needs to
    be embarrassed into adhering to their responsibilities.

    Thanks.
     
  8. BobMcG

    BobMcG Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Sorry, but with all due respect, not tuning onto ABC doesn't equate ignoring the issues and thinking that in doing so they'll go away. Not by a long shot.
     
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    You're right. An elected assembly can trample a person's rights as easily as a president. We need a viable, powerful third party. One that's biased and pro Constitutional. TJ
     
  10. Wylbur

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    I've long had the impression that a lot of people (gun owners included) are
    rather naive when it comes to the nature of politics. When most people form
    their political opinions, and engage in political discourse on a given issue,
    they often perceive the nature of the involvement as being "Good .vs. Bad"
    (with themselves being the "Good" part of that equation). Politics is about
    competing philosophies. It's about making the most rational case for your
    position as you can, and making a case that is logically "stronger" than the
    one being made by your opposition (which can be more than one position - there
    is not necessarily a duality within those competing philosophies). Inherent
    within that discourse is the necessity to understand the arguments/points
    being made by those that are taking an opposing (competing) position.

    I don't believe that it would be a stretch to state that the arguments/points
    that we make in the defense of our right to keep and bear arms would be
    stronger than the counter-position(s) taken by those that oppose us.
    However, one of the roles of the press is to provide a forum in which
    that debate can take place. When those that control that forum act in a
    way that is stifling and inhibiting to one side (our side), while promoting
    the other side, then it's fairly obvious that one side (our side) is placed
    at a severe disadvantage. Even though our position is stronger, that doesn't
    mean a whole lot when we are handicapped to the degree that we are.

    Whether we like it or not, this is the nature of the game. Even though the
    rules of the game have been stacked against us, and we are not playing on
    a level playing field, we still have to play it.

    In order to compete, we still have to make our arguments/points. If the ones
    taking that counter-position are the ones that are controlling the forum
    in which that discussion is taking place, then they have to be confronted.
    In order to respond to someone on anything, you have to pay attention to what
    they are posing as a counter-position. This is why I believe that it's a
    mistake to ignore those within the media that have taken it upon themselves
    to influence public policy in the way that they see fit.

    Perhaps what I am advocating is an exercise in futility, but what else are
    we to do? If we refuse to engage them in that debate, then they will win by
    default. If those that exploit their position to gain advantage in the
    promotion of their own agendas, then they need to be called on their
    irresponsible behavior - they need to be confronted - and not ignored.

    We ignore them at our own peril.
     
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    A march is almost out of the question right now. Who can afford to go to one? With kids in school, price of gas, price of lodgings, price of food, people layed off, etc. We have to come up with something everyone can do that won't depleat their bank account, if they have one. I know I can't just pack up and leave for three-four days and drive 500-600 miles or more.

    Anyone got any other suggestions?
     
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    Even if 5 million showed up there would be no MSM coverage. The only posible way, would be to hire "Rent a Mob" from Acorn, Al or Jessie. But MSM wouldn't cover even that unless they were asured "Rent A Mob" would throw down pro 2nd ammendment banners and put up anti banners in there place when the cameras start rolling. This is a coordinated effort with the demise of the Republic as their prime objective. If we loose our second ammendment freedoms, then the others are lost. Then all maner of evil will descend on the American people just as it has in so many countries in the 20th century. Not here? Listen to the retoric and vitriol that has come from so many of our misleaders in the Congress and the Executive Branch.
     
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  14. Wylbur

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    You've got a good point.

    How about having simultaneous rallies on the same day, but in strategically
    located urban centers?

    I remember a simultaneous rally being put on by the CCRKBA many years ago,
    held in Dallas and Houston. It had a very low turnout, and that was
    mainly due to a lack of advertising - I only learned of it myself just days
    before it was to take place - as I just happened to be visiting my gunsmith
    at the time. With the internet, and the ability to send email messages to a lot of
    people at the same time with the click of a button, advertising shouldn't
    be the problem that it once was.

    We'd need to get the NRA on board with this (as well as GOAL and any other groups
    we can think of). Perhaps the state associations could set the places,
    and take care of the logistical aspects of this.

    (I've already sent the NRA a message suggesting this.)
     
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