Discussion in 'VMBB Fire For Effect' started by rooter, Mar 14, 2009.

  1. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    Active Duty, Retirees, & Veterans Medical Benefits To Change!‏

    What's Next??? I see lots of folks leaving active duty over this. The only
    reason they won't is maybe the civilian job market won't pay them as much
    money? We retirees have had broken promises over the years but this one is
    a doozie! Michelle Obama said we should give up a share of our pie so
    others can have a piece. Guess it's our turn in the barrel? Got a
    service-connected disability? Good luck with it. Can you believe that he
    wants the Active Duty folks to start paying part of their medical bills?
    Speak now or forever hold your peace.

    Yes, this would mean that all the illegal aliens he gives citizenship will
    get FREE health care and we will have to pay for ours! Check out the
    website URLs below.

    This will affect all of our military, active, retired, vets. If you agree
    this is NOT the thanks we should show them for their service, please
    consider contacting your representatives in congress.

    Subject: Active Duty, Retirees, & Veterans Medical Benefits To Change!

    You should write your Senators and Congressmen if you don't want to have
    billions of dollars in medical care benefits taken away from active duty and
    retired military personnel, this change is underway to provide free medical
    care for those who didn't serve their country for 20 or 30 years, who do not
    work for a living, or do anything to receive free medical care. The details
    about President Obama's heavy assault on active military personnel and
    veterans are listed below; it is to provide free medical care to millions of
    unemployed Americans who voted for Obama while taking free medical care away
    form military personnel, veterans, and their families, while imposing a fee
    on them to receive the free medical care the unemployed will receive.
    Active d duty military personnel will be required to pay for their medical
    care and the care of their dependants---a free benefit just about every
    company in the US provides for their employees after 6 months and Congress
    provides for itself after just one day on the job. This is another CHANGE
    Americans voted for.


    Subject: Active Duty, Retirees, & Veterans Medical Benefits To Change!

    This will affect all of us who retired from the Service. It could
    cost each person and spouse over $6000 bucks a year to be in TFL.
    This is pretty scary stuff and well disserving of some letters to our
    elected representatives. Let's hope it can be headed off at the pass.
    Please read carefully and pass it on.


    Active Duty, Retirees, & Veterans Medical Benefits To Change!


    The following is About Obama's Heath Care proposal for Active Duty Military
    Families and Veterans.

    My office just got word today that our new President Obama has proposed a
    plan to cut military health benefits! This is great news for the 99.9%
    Veterans and Active Duty members who are currently using health care
    benefits. The Congressional Budget Office has made public a proposal
    stating that Veterans (you know the men and women who have fought in wars
    and spent 20 plus years in the service) are now going to be paying up to
    50% of their medical bill. That's a big jump from paying nothing for the
    past 30 some odd years.

    The biggest kicker is Active Duty Military (yep, I said Active Duty) will
    now be paying 10% of their total bill. They will now be billed for their
    kids visiting the doctor. Again, a big jump from being free!

    Another benefit subject to change is V.A. medical benefits. Everyone who is
    receiving a benefit from the V.A. for a service related injury will have to
    be re-assessed and the proposal states this will affect "90% of vets
    receiving V.A. benefits and will save the government $53 Billion dollars
    over 10 years."

    Needless to say, today is the first time I have heard from the few Obama
    supporters in my office say "if this gets passed they will not continue to
    be a supporter".

    Isn't this the candidate that just a few months ago was preaching to get
    healthcare coverage to ALL! Isn't it ironic and moronic to steal $53
    Billion from vets and active duty military families so the Crack head down
    the street will receive free medical coverage?

    If you're as upset as I am, then write your elected officials so hopefully
    some of the dummies running this country see the light and would never ever
    dream of taking away a penny from a military member! Here are some links to
    the article.





    Feel free to Google if you're in disbelief.

    Below is a message from an Army General who also points out some links and ways how to contact your elected representative.


    Subject: TriCare for Life's Future To All:

    This is for real. The heavy assault has begun on Veterans'/Retirees' benefits to pay for other programs. The word on the street is that these indeed are a high priority of the Obama administration. The one most of interest to Retired Military is in Article 189. If approved by Congress the first assault wave would hit the beaches in 2011 and would hit hard. It would initiate cost sharing to require retirees to pay the first $525 of medical cost and 50% of the next $4,725 for a first year cost of $2,888 per person. It would be indexed to increase with inflation. A reason given for this action (for PR effect) is "overuse" by Retirees.


    For those of you who are covered by TFL you will want to pay attention to what BG Bob Clements has surfaced about the future of TFL. If you know of anyone who is Retired Military, please forward this on to them.

    I don't know how many of you partake of the TriCare for Life program but here is a very interesting note on the subject. Seems as though our President has placed a priority on cutting it out of the budget as a means to provide funding for those things he promised during the campaign.

    In any case, on page 189 of the Congressional Budget Office report, see the note below on how to get to that spot, there is a strong recommendation to eventually eliminate the program as it is too expensive.

    I would ask that you contact your elected officials and register your strong opposition to the elimination of this program. Just another move to slight those of us who dedicated much of our adult lives to the defense of our country. Thanks for listening.

    Heads-up from BG Bob Clements, USAF Ret (P38 Bob)

    The following has been added to the Congressional Budget Office Web Site

    a. Budget, Options, Volume 1: Health Care



    For those who have never opened one of these web sites from OMB :
    1. double click on the above URL
    2. click on PDF
    3. click on the binoculars
    4. do a search for TFL

    "Now here it is folks and I will guarantee if you sit around on your behind
    and do nothing about it as they bring these options forward this coming
    year, you will lose one of the best healthcare benefits that the Medicare
    eligible retired military have. It is short of the promises made that we
    fought so hard for back in the late 90s and early 2000s but it is still the
    best healthcare program that anyone in the United States has, bar none.

    People who are professionals always look for the channel of least
    resistance when it comes to cutting money out of the Federal and DOD< /span
    budget. I can tell you this straight on, military retirees are one of those
    channels of least resistance noted for sitting around, doing nothing, and
    waiting for ole Joe to do it for them. You had better wake up. Your medical
    benefits are prime target. If you lose them, you have nobody to blame but

    Let me repeat that ... you have nobody to blame but yourself.

    The way to secure your benefits is to write to your members of Congress and
    to keep writing and writing and writing. ONCE IS NOT ENOUGH!! Keep
    repeating the above statement until you are blue in the face.

    Now I'm going to make one more statement to all of you younger people out
    there who are not yet eligible for TriCare for Life. HEALTH CARE WILL
    it will impact you big time with the utmost in cruelty unless you are
    fortunate enough to die from a heart attack . .. . or get run over by a
    truck. Now, I am going to attach AGAIN exactly what OMB has in store for
    military retirees using TFL.

    This source is directly from OMB and is not something that I have dreamed
    up. They are telling you exactly what they are going to do with your
    benefits. If you do nothing, this is what you will get. The service
    organizations will put up a fight and are aware of this and will put up a
    fight but, they will need your help and can't do it by themselves.

    I hope this makes it clear as to what you can expect if you do nothing. To
    show you how stupid these professionals can be at times if you will read
    the attached document closely you will see that in spite of the MTFs
    (Military Treatment Facility) need to get patients back to keep their
    doctors busy and the hospitals from going to clinic status, these people
    from OMB would employ a means to keep retirees from using MTF facilities by
    charging them a fe e for services. How dumb can you get?

    A footnote:
    BG Bob Clement is known with affection as "P38bob". He flew
    P38s in WWII. He was one of the stalwart warriors that led effectively from
    the front when the hard battles were being fought to bring TriCare for Life
    to reality. I was honored and pleased to a player in that effort by
    following P38 Bob's lead. (in those days I was known as MilVet99) MilVets:
    it looks like we will again be confronted by the 'attack of the bean
    counters' who, by and large, wouldn't know (and probably never will know)
    genuine unselfish service to our country and are solely motivated by
    crunching numbers so that those numbers will reflect favorably on their
    bosses and their boss's causes. They have no thought to the havoc they
    would cause . in many cases the loss of any amount of TFL benefits would be
    an insurmountable hardship .... and to some it would truly be a death
    sentence. It is well that we gear up for the fight now. As P38 Bob says,
    we must write, write, write and write. Once is not enough! In time I will
    be preparing letters for your use in writing to your elected officials and
    submitting them to the TREA Membership, and to others who may want to join
    the fight. Them Bean counters haven't seen an ything until they've see a
    united and angered group of MilVets. Let's do it and git 'er done!!!!!
  2. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    If we didn’t think it possible, we can now be sure that our illustrious president Obama cares not one whit for our military men and women. Asking our military to risk life and limb to protect our Country and then requiring them to pay for their own medical treatment, if injury does occur, is outrageous! If Mr. Obama wants to cause our military to disintegrate, this is one fine way to do it. Unbelievable!!!
    The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment

    Contact: Craig Roberts of The American Legion, +1-202-263-2982 Office, +1-202-406-0887 Cell

    WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

    The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

    "It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."

    The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate 'to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans!"

    Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group's early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, " There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran's personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable."

    Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.

    "I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted," said Commander Rehbein, "is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President's financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future.

    "I only hope the administration will really listen to us then. This matter has far more serious ramifications than the President is imagining," concluded the Commander.

    SOURCE The American Legion

  3. Vasily Zaytsev

    Vasily Zaytsev New Member

    Mar 17, 2009
    That would be a breach of contract with Vets, and open up a can of worms.

    Like we used to say......

    "They say that in the rmry, the pay is mighty fine.....
    They give you 100 dollars, and take back 99"
  4. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    Would that be the first time .gov has gone back on its word to vets? Did it raise an outcry last time? hmmmmm Maybe my contract with the United States Army is still valid, after all. Lemme check my mortgage, my education bill, my medical benefits, my ....

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