how God feels about killing ?

Discussion in 'Religious Discussions' started by goofy, Oct 3, 2011.

  1. Juker

    Juker New Member

    Feb 8, 2011
    Land of Lincoln
    Amen, Terry.

    The Word of God never contradicts itself.

    In Genesis 9:6 we are told: "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made He man."

    In Ecclesiastes 3 we are told: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: ... a time to kill..."

    Thus it does not follow that in Exodus, we are told not to kill. If this commandment was all-inclusive, it would directly contradict the many instances in the Word when we are clearly told that killing is justifiable in many instances.
  2. 45nut

    45nut Well-Known Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    As when God commanded Saul to kill every living thing of the Conflagdomites (?) and when Samuel the prophet came into camp asked Saul, "Is that the bleating of sheep I hear?"

    So if God did indeed command us not to kill, then He violated his command by telling Saul to kill everyone, women & kids.... oh the .......horror.

    Sometimes killing is to purge evil from a place or people. Like when the Israelites entered the Promised Land of Canaan, they were supposed to kill all the canaanites. They didn't and intermarried and began to worship the canaanites idols instead of / along with God.

    Sin in the camp..... time to be taken captive again so we can purge the evil from ourselves.

  3. 45Auto

    45Auto Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2008
    The Bible says many such things which are denegrated as "liberal" ideas in some circles.
  4. Teejay9

    Teejay9 New Member

    Nov 4, 2008
    Southwest Corner of the US, "Where no stinking fen
    The commandment refers to murder. You take someone's life. Killing, as in war, seems to be justified, as Alpo points out. For those who read or know the Bible, have you ever noticed the shift in God's chacteristics from the Old and New testements? In the OT, He seems pretty angry a lot of the time, while in the NT, He's much more pacified and loving. Just my thoughts, which change often. TJ
  5. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    You sure are right.

    Some folks have a hard time differentiating between feeding the NEEDY and facilitating the LAZY.

    The Bible is quite clear on the difference:

    2 Thessalonians 3:10 (KJV)
    For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
  6. jwrauch

    jwrauch New Member

    Mar 26, 2010
    Flyover territory , USA
    Amen ! JR
  7. Model195Fan

    Model195Fan Member

    Sep 6, 2011
    I think that you are referring to my e-mail yesterday. I don't know why mine is blocked, but I will check into it.

    Your response probably covers the subject, but just to clarify, if necessary, this was my original e-mail. It is actually a "canned response" that I have saved because of the frequency of running into this subject.

    "Some folks think that the Biblical command says, "Thou shalt not murder."

    This is false, and its falsehood can be proved from the Bible itself. Exodus 20:13 says, "Lo tirtzach." Don't kill. The word "kill" (or, some contend, "murder") is spelled Resh Tsadhe Ches. Can we find this word elsewhere in the Bible where it will be perfectly clear whether it means "kill" or "murder?" In this particular case, yes! In Numbers 35:26-8, after extensive discussion of intentional vs. accidental killing and its relation to the cities of refuge, the Bible uses the word "rotzeach" (killer), spelled with the same root letters, to refer to an INNOCENT killer while describing the rules applying to him and those who would avenge his accidental victim's death. It also uses the same word, "ratzach," to describe the PERMISSIBLE killing of the accidental killer if the avenger of the blood finds him outside the city of refuge.

    Without any doubt whatsoever, the proper translation of "Lo tirtzach" is "Don't kill." There are certainly exceptions to this commandment, as listed in the Bible itself, but that is what the words mean.

    If you wish to study this further and do not read Hebrew, you should consult an orthodox rabbi with the references, or perhaps take a look at an interlinear translation [Zondervan?] of the Bible in a Christian bookstore. Obviously, if you read Hebrew, you need only look at those verses in any Chumash."

    I don't doubt the usefulness of your looking into other occurrences of this word, and you have shown me that it is time for me to break out my concordance. Thanks!
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2011
  8. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    See i see this and wonder why i did not study this more , thanks for the input folks i learned a lot ..

    i'll raise this as a personal view only

    we have a new testament, its written on the tablet of our hearts..

    to me this means the following ..

    i dont like being stolen from , so i dont steal ,

    i dont want to be killed for no reason , so i wont kill for no reason

    i dont like being lied to , so i dont lie ..

    i dont wish to be a victim either so i wont be one , even if i have to kill someone to do so ..

    we know whats wrongful even if we try to justify it somehow

    , the bible is a mix of different peoples views of God , as with any such creation the more that contribute multiplies the chances of conflict, , but with any mass influenced derived result the "whole" of the result is most accurate

    its like range finding by multiple configurations

    take a squad of troops , get them each to work out the range to somewhere ( distance )

    average the result and you'll have a pretty accurate result ..

    the bible is similar

    its many people ( flawed as we are) own view of the history and actions of our Creator as best they could describe in the language of the day it was written

    but as a whole it shows , killing should be avoided when possible and right to do so , but when needed should be done as quickly and with all your might , as possible ..

    treat the Book as Whole , not just as points to be argued .. it shows a lot that way eh ..
  9. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

    Dec 16, 2008
    When I was 9 I got my first bb gun. I became very good with it too. One day a sparrow flew into a branch of an oak tree next door to us. I couldn't see the bird but I heard him and knew right where to aim. So I shot it. Down it fell. I was kicked in the gut. I cried, and felt terrible.

    But I was comforted. God spoke to me and told me that I must master the art of hunting and killing to feed myself. Not that I had to do it to eat, but I had to learn to do it to survive.

    So for a while i went on a killing spree. Killing lots of birds and small game. Then one day God had another little talk with me. He told me it was wrong to kill all those animals if I wasnt going to eat them. So I stopped killing them for no reason. Now I hunt and kill an awful lot of animals now but it goes in the freezer.

    OK. So this is kinda thread drift but I do believe you can sin aganist an animal too.

    As far as having to kill a human I look at it like this. Regardless of what any book or what any one says I have absolutly no problems with causing death to another if it is justified to me. Now I am not saying justified like in Physo.

    Doesn't matter if I got dropped out of a helo on a hot LZ or if i am held at gunpoint. Once my life is in danger death will come to someone swift and unknowing. No matter who says what. That is something my heart is comfortable with, and i will not loose any sleep over it.

    That is what i have come to terms in my mind. I guess thats a little talk with the father too. If i felt it was wrong I would have a different outlook.

    And no i would not need to ask for forgivness.

    Now Stallin, Moa, Hitler, it would be wise if they had asked for forgivness. Just saying
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2011
  10. langenc

    langenc Active Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Montmorency Co, MI
    Weather MURDER or just KILLING, I know he dont like the 50 MILLION UNborn killed in the last 30+ years in the US.

    Someone (many) wiill pay for this transgression.
  11. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    model195fan, it was indeed your e-mail I was speaking of, and I thank you for repeating it here. I never publish anyones e-mail without their permission, and the thoughts are greatly clarified by your posting it.

    This discussion has driven MANY into word studies and scripture, and that is GREAT!!

    It caused me to do a bit of a survey of my literature too:
    Besides the Theological Wordbook quoted above;
    My interlinear Bible, printed by Baker Book House, uses the word murder.
    The Brown-Driver-Briggs-Genesius Hebrew-English Lexicon lists this word as:
    "Murder, Slay, With premeditation"
    KJV uses kill (1611)
    Darby's translation uses kill
    American Standard Version uses kill
    NKJV uses Murder
    KJII uses Murder
    English standard Version uses murder
    Gods Word translation uses murder
    New American Standard Bible (1977) uses murder
    New Century Version uses murder
    New Internatinal version uses murder
    New Living Translation uses murder
    New Revised Standard Version uses murder
    The Living Bible uses murder
    The Message uses murder
    Youngs Literal Translation uses murder
    The Holy Bible, Revised Version uses murder
    The Bible in Basic English uses "do not put anyone to death without cause"

    Of my 20 references surveyed, I count only 3 for the general "kill" and 17 for murder, premeditation, or 'put to death without cause'.

    If there is a specific commentary that uses 'kill', I probably have that also, but I need to know which one because I have a TON of paper commentaries; too many to look through them all.

    Thank you, guys for all the input on this!
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