HPA vs Bump stocks

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  1. Kvasir

    Kvasir Active Member

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    The government needs to take action on clown shoe violence! :mad:
     
  2. TOOHSOTKIL

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    When you begin the 4473 in a statement of regulating a "non-firearm" part you travel a very dangerous road. As many found out earlier when the "Street Sweeper" was not banned but moved to "AOW" column. Never forget the infamous B-A-T-F standard,

    "Serves no sporting purpose"


    Its always easier to close a small crack in the door, but once opened all the way it may never shut again.
     
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    Which is why I rather have it as a 4473 vs NFA.

    That's what the HPA is pressing for as well. 4473 status vs NFA.

    Keep in mind that the AOW designation I broad and covers things other than specific firearms parts. For instance, certain 'shoot thru holsters' that completely shroud the barrel and or slide, require AOW registration.... And a holster sure ain't a firearm.
     
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    If they were to "ban" them anyways, I'd be ok with a trade... But I'm with George in that they should just be left alone...
     
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    Kavsir said it right "Shall not be infringed" means just that. Leave the guns alone & go after the violent nut cases that are causing the problems.
    I'm not giving up anything if you give up the bump stocks then they will say "You don't need any guns the fire fast!" then all the legal full autos will be gone.
    Remember the 2nd amendment is not about your hunting guns, it's not about personal protection, it is about keeping the tyrants from destroying the nation from within. So we need equal or more access to firepower as the opponents have. It's not that we will ever use them but just having them is enough to keep them in check.
     
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    To paraphrase old Ben, "Those who would give up a freedom, any freedom, for anything else, deserve neither." It is a spring loaded stock. Nothing more, nothing less. Would I own one? No. Would I want it to be a NICS item? NO! It is not a firearm. The only thing that should be on the 4473 is firearms. If you give in and have the stock classified a NICS/4473 item, how long do you think it will be before they want to designate all magazines over ten rounds to be a NICS item? Or a multi power (sniper) scope? How about your laser range finder?

    It is a steep, slippery slope. You want to give up a bump stock for hearing protection, what will you want to give up next? You are a duck hunter, are you willing to give up your 1911 because you can't hunt ducks with it. You are a 'big game' hunter. You willing to give up your .22s? After all you can't hunt black bears with a .22.

    It end s when the socialists/liberals/communists anti gun crowd finally succeeds in confiscating the last privately owned firearm because someone felt fine with giving up something he didn't care about or want.
     
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    You’ll never hear a politician say this. They’re scared sh&*tless of “We the People”. Don’t let them fool you that they’re not.
     
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    Its not a spring loaded stock.

    A suppressor isn't a gun and I WANT it on a 4473 & OFF NFA.
     
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    Was thinking how many suppressors I would buy and I tell u one thing..... it would be an economic boom for the gun industry
     
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    Rather useless to me as well but no compromise :D the danger is ok let’s put anything that makes the firearm fire quicker in the NFA. Well that can be bipods, mags, triggers, foregrips, red dots and on and on. Plus when bf stocks don’t solve any problems the next logical step will be semi autos
    I’m almost 100% sweepers are not AOW’s if I remember right they are “destructive devices” same as 40mm and grenades. Which sucks because the vast majority of Class III dealers are not DD dealers :(


    ETA also all this talk of bf stocks remind me of the Akins Accelerator stocks. Atf approved, they sold a bunch then ruled illegal probably about 10+ years ago now. Seeing a bump fire stock I figured it was just a matter of time before they reversed their ruling on bump fire stocks
     
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    There's the difference, the akin accelerator stocks had a spring. Essentially made the gun a blowback machine gun by letting the entire barrelled action move back, then be 'pushed' forward.

    Without the spring, its a bumpfire stock... With the spring, it did something ..the bumpfire is an empty plastic stock that loosely attaches to the buffer tube, and has a guide where the grip would normally bolt.
     
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  12. TOOHSOTKIL

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    You are correct and I simply have too much scrambled information in my tiny brain.
    It was reclassified as "DD". My real point was you had better stay very far from what you want the 4473 form to cover.

    I suppose I missed the mark. There are many things that the average firearm owner does not know. And there are many. I had forgot about the flip out belt buckles and even the more common MP-5 briefcase, now I still have some issues with that but it is what it is (was interesting).

    People are always trying the test the edge of weaponry since time began, its what your willing to sacrifice to get there.........because in the long run "YOU" will pay the piper.
     
  13. Kvasir

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    I'll agree that 4473 would be better than NFA. But someone please explain to me why suppressors should be regulated in any way at all.
    Without the firearm to attach it to that already requires a 4473, a suppressor is about as harmless as can be. If a convicted felon who is criminally insane walked into a Walmart and bout a suppressor off the shelf but has no gun to put it on, what is he going to do with it? Without the gun, it's nothing more than an expensive tube.
     
  14. Old Guns

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    In my humble opinion the bump stock was a technical loophole to turn a gun into more or less a full auto. It was a bad idea to bring it to market if for no other reason that it had the potential to do a lot of damage to the industry exactly like what happened in Texas. A simple question. If his gun was mounted on a tripod then how did he get the bump stock to function?
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, the tripod one was scooed as well. Tells me he shot that one single at a time. Of course, even I it had a bumpstock, it could have been set to fixed, vs bumpfire.
     
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