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My issue with those who call them selves "woke" is that so many of them have allowed themselves to become part of what is dividing our nation. There are numerous groups of people who are traditionally left out of the gravy train. It's easy to see that black Americans have been given the dirty end of the stick, but if you don't know about the other folks left out of America's good fortune you can't claim to be "woke" as far as I'm concerned. Let me explain:

Regarding "white privilege." Sadly, very few "woke" people are woke to the fact that poor to working class white men often have very little to feel "privileged" about. Good jobs are hard to find. If a poor white man is drunk and talking back to cops he is likely to get the crap beaten out of him. Working very hard to scrape up the money to feed his kids and keep his car going, try to tell that man he has "white privilege." Such men may not have gone to college but they are not stupid. Poor whites are well aware that they are in the same boat as poor people who are not white.

Discrimination: It is absolutely true that black people (especially poor) face discrimination in many forms. But they are not the only group fighting these difficulties. Poor white people from rural areas are often called ignorant, incestuous, "hillbillies" and worse. These Americans might not understand their "white privilege" as much as wealthy white Americans do. Anyone who insults the intelligence and integrity of a poor rural white man cannot be considered "woke" no matter how many Black Lives Matter rallies attended.

White and black poor people often live in poor communities. Because of the way our schools are funded in the USA people who live in poor communities get less funding for their kids' schools. Without good schools kids will find it much harder to climb out of poverty. Black or white, that's how it is in our nation.

I might be an old white man, but I know for a fact what will make the greatest difference for everyone, no matter the race or ethnicity.

Make a radical change to our education system:

1. All schools get the same amount of funding. From Newark to Appalachia, Manhattan to Lansing. Every school must be an excellent school.
2. Teachers to get paid on a level comparable to doctors and lawyers. Attract good people for the most important job in the nation; Our children's future is America's future!
3. No special private schools. Why? Because if the rich and powerful MUST send their kids to the local school, they will make sure the local school is well funded and doing a great job educating the kids.
4. Collage/higher education... that's for another rant....

The above is the most WOKE thing we can do as Americans. Yes, I know it will never ever get done, but if it ever did within a generation we could make so many improvements to the lives of our fellow Americans. A real revolution!

Bless the children.
 

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.45 Auto - I agree with most of what you posted. A couple of things I do not agree with are paying a school teacher the same as a Doctor or Lawyer and abolishing Private Schools. My reasons are:

Doctors and Lawyers go thru a much more intensive program of training and qualification than do school teachers. Doctors and Lawyers are required to be experts in their particular field, while a qualified school teacher has a set curriculum and basically 'paints-by-the-numbers'. Ideally, a good teacher of math should be able to teach history or English. They aren't expected to be an expert in any particular field because they have texts and guide students thru the learning process.

Having said all of that, I have very little confidence that anyone who has obtained a college degree in the last 40-50 years would be capable or qualified to do anything other than regurgitate Marxist indoctrination. That is all that 99% of our colleges and universities achieve. The public school system in the United States does NOT teach children to problem solve, debate, calculate mathematics with their brains, speak or write English, and the only history they are taught is Marxist Theology and Darwinism, and of course that the United States is the cause of the ills of the world and completely based on evil.

Private Schools are often religious based. Subjects taught there are forbidden in the public school system. Also, to the extremes of both scales, there are "slow children" and "gifted children". Both extremes would be hampered in a one-system school as well as detract from the majority of the children in the middle. A "good" private school today produces education on par with what a "fair" public school produced pre-1970. A "good" public school today would have been shuttered and boarded up if it were judged to pre-1970 standards.
 

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My issue with those who call them selves "woke" is that so many of them have allowed themselves to become part of what is dividing our nation. There are numerous groups of people who are traditionally left out of the gravy train. It's easy to see that black Americans have been given the dirty end of the stick, but if you don't know about the other folks left out of America's good fortune you can't claim to be "woke" as far as I'm concerned. Let me explain:

Regarding "white privilege." Sadly, very few "woke" people are woke to the fact that poor to working class white men often have very little to feel "privileged" about. Good jobs are hard to find. If a poor white man is drunk and talking back to cops he is likely to get the crap beaten out of him. Working very hard to scrape up the money to feed his kids and keep his car going, try to tell that man he has "white privilege." Such men may not have gone to college but they are not stupid. Poor whites are well aware that they are in the same boat as poor people who are not white.

Discrimination: It is absolutely true that black people (especially poor) face discrimination in many forms. But they are not the only group fighting these difficulties. Poor white people from rural areas are often called ignorant, incestuous, "hillbillies" and worse. These Americans might not understand their "white privilege" as much as wealthy white Americans do. Anyone who insults the intelligence and integrity of a poor rural white man cannot be considered "woke" no matter how many Black Lives Matter rallies attended.

White and black poor people often live in poor communities. Because of the way our schools are funded in the USA people who live in poor communities get less funding for their kids' schools. Without good schools kids will find it much harder to climb out of poverty. Black or white, that's how it is in our nation.

I might be an old white man, but I know for a fact what will make the greatest difference for everyone, no matter the race or ethnicity.

Make a radical change to our education system:

1. All schools get the same amount of funding. From Newark to Appalachia, Manhattan to Lansing. Every school must be an excellent school.
2. Teachers to get paid on a level comparable to doctors and lawyers. Attract good people for the most important job in the nation; Our children's future is America's future!
3. No special private schools. Why? Because if the rich and powerful MUST send their kids to the local school, they will make sure the local school is well funded and doing a great job educating the kids.
4. Collage/higher education... that's for another rant....

The above is the most WOKE thing we can do as Americans. Yes, I know it will never ever get done, but if it ever did within a generation we could make so many improvements to the lives of our fellow Americans. A real revolution!

Bless the children.
I can agree with some of this but it cost a lot more to keep a school running in the city's then in rural areas. At least around here teachers are very well paid. They retire after 20 years at $94,000 a year. I was a network engineer for a major corporation and they made more money than I did and retire with a much better pension.
 
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Politically I'm conservative and ideologically, a strict constitutionalist. Geographically and nationally I'm American by birth, and southern by the grace of God. :stir:

Gender and identity wise I'm always subscribed to the "if you think you are confused, just pause for a moment and take a look" theory to clear up those issues. The chromosomes don't lie, and physical appearance is a dead giveaway for any rational, thinking person.
But after reading all this I guess I'm a lesbian too, albeit, trapped in a man's body... :lurk:

Who knew? :lol:

Back to the politics and cultural issues in question, there is no doubt a move is on to overthrow the government of the United States. Beyond the violence and deaths already recorded, we will see bloodshed in the streets and neighborhoods before this is resolved. And only God knows what it will look like when the dust settles and the gunsmoke clears.

All that said, I am under no illusions about the despicable potential of fallen human nature. Accepting that a Marxist is a Marxist is no different from accepting that a rattlesnake is a venomous serpent.

So the great disappointment for me in all this is the moral, social, and political cowardice we are seeing across the nation. It is as if the politicians, male and female alike, are co-dependent women - throwing themselves at their abusers in hopes they will be loved if found docile enough.

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I can agree with some of this but it cost a lot more to keep a school running in the city's then in rural areas. At least around here teachers are very well paid. They retire after 20 years at $94,000 a year. I was a network engineer for a major corporation and they made more money than I did and retire with a much better pension.
Agreed. A lot of the "teachers are underpaid" mantra has become the rallying cry for public sector unions. As a rule teachers used to be underpaid relative to their importance. Not so much anymore.
 

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I'm afraid that we, the silent majority, give consent by our silence.
You are absolutely right, our silence is the anchor around our necks. We must get out and vote! Have our friends and family get registered to vote then get out and VOTE! Take back America!
 

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.45 Auto - I agree with most of what you posted. A couple of things I do not agree with are paying a school teacher the same as a Doctor or Lawyer and abolishing Private Schools. My reasons are:

Doctors and Lawyers go thru a much more intensive program of training and qualification than do school teachers. Doctors and Lawyers are required to be experts in their particular field, while a qualified school teacher has a set curriculum and basically 'paints-by-the-numbers'. Ideally, a good teacher of math should be able to teach history or English. They aren't expected to be an expert in any particular field because they have texts and guide students thru the learning process.

Having said all of that, I have very little confidence that anyone who has obtained a college degree in the last 40-50 years would be capable or qualified to do anything other than regurgitate Marxist indoctrination. That is all that 99% of our colleges and universities achieve. The public school system in the United States does NOT teach children to problem solve, debate, calculate mathematics with their brains, speak or write English, and the only history they are taught is Marxist Theology and Darwinism, and of course that the United States is the cause of the ills of the world and completely based on evil.

Private Schools are often religious based. Subjects taught there are forbidden in the public school system. Also, to the extremes of both scales, there are "slow children" and "gifted children". Both extremes would be hampered in a one-system school as well as detract from the majority of the children in the middle. A "good" private school today produces education on par with what a "fair" public school produced pre-1970. A "good" public school today would have been shuttered and boarded up if it were judged to pre-1970 standards.
I agree with your sentiment, but I don't believe it has been as long as 40-50 years of overt Marxist indoctrination. I believe 20-30 years of over Marxism is probably closer to the truth. I completed my undergrad and Medical school and was not indoctrinated in Marxism. In fact, I took a course in my undergrad going over the philosophy of Marxism and it was not at all complimentary of the Marxist view.

My son on the other hand about 10+ years ago was quoting Marx in his business term paper in the first paragraph and that was in his freshman year.

I really cannot ever remember hearing Marxism portrayed in a positive manner in High School, College or Medical School. But my son was quoting him in term papers. That is only one generation.
 

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Looks like the play "Hamilton" is no longer woke. Go figure. I do remember the the first Broadway run of this play had NO white actors playing any of the parts. Clinton, Obama and all the "progressives" were enamored with this play in 2015.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/hamilton-problematic-lin-manuel-miranda-criticism

Looks like times have changed and no one will get any credit for doing any good at all if they owned slaves at any time.

My head is spinning trying to keep up with what woke means since it seems to change over time, and not that much time.
 

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I agree with your sentiment, but I don't believe it has been as long as 40-50 years of overt Marxist indoctrination. I believe 20-30 years of over Marxism is probably closer to the truth. I completed my undergrad and Medical school and was not indoctrinated in Marxism. In fact, I took a course in my undergrad going over the philosophy of Marxism and it was not at all complimentary of the Marxist view.

My son on the other hand about 10+ years ago was quoting Marx in his business term paper in the first paragraph and that was in his freshman year.

I really cannot ever remember hearing Marxism portrayed in a positive manner in High School, College or Medical School. But my son was quoting him in term papers. That is only one generation.
I was talking about 40-50 years. In that time frame Marxism had well taken root in colleges and Universities. For High School I'd say more along the lines of the last 30-40 years and elementary schools maybe the last 20-25 years. That is speaking from first hand experience in California - having been the end of high school with WW2 era vets being teachers. After the Army I attended college in the early 70s, and the Marxists were just starting to take over.

My school was Cerritos Junior College in a suburb outside of Los Angeles. It was still a conservative area and the socialists/Marxists were just barely getting their little pinkies in the door. At the time, my oldest brother was going for his Masters Degree in Long Beach State College. He attended school around his schedule as a Police Officer in Santa Ana. He told me of an incident where the "students' held an anti-Government "protest" just outside of the campus. The day of the 'protest', the Professor excused everyone (except my brother) with full credit to attend the 'protest'. So I base my statement on the 70s for college Marxism.

My own children were in elementary school in the 1980s. We always had family dinners at the table and talked the day's events/school/social events, etc. That was when I picked up on what the schools were teaching children (Marxist indoctrination). America Evil - Capitalism Evil - Viet Nam War all about Coca-Cola wanting more profits (and about the blood-thirsty drugged out soldiers who raped and pillaged for kicks) - Christianity Evil - etc. etc. etc. - Marxism/Socialism Good... Communism even better... Needless to say my children's teachers weren't happy with what discussions we had as a family at the dinner table.
 
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