Is this one true...I smell law suit

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    AGunguy
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    Detroit officer severs woman's finger

    Cop says he was cutting coat to cuff her
    January 7, 2003

    BY JIM SCHAEFER
    FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

    A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile.

    The police, who were in plainclothes, said she was resisting arrest. The woman, Joni Gullas of Detroit, said Monday that she thought she was being carjacked.

    According to police reports obtained by the Free Press, Officer Anthony Johnson pulled out a knife Sunday morning to cut off the sleeve of Gullas' oversized coat so he could put her left hand in the handcuffs.

    Johnson, of the 9th (Gratiot) Precinct, has been placed on desk duty, a typical move after officers use force during arrests. Gullas has not been charged with a crime.

    Cmdr. Ralph Godbee Jr. said only that internal affairs was investigating the officer's behavior during the incident, which happened about 2:30 a.m. Sunday. Though the department does not issue knives, many officers carry them for, among other things, cutting seat belts to free accident victims.

    Johnson and two other officers were riding in an unmarked car on a special burglary patrol when they noticed Gullas' van in a parking lot near the Huddle Lounge near 8 Mile and Gratiot.

    Gullas said she had just left the bar and was waiting for others to come out so they could go together to breakfast when a car pulled up and someone shined a spotlight in her face.

    A man approached, said he was the police and demanded her identification. Gullas said she could make out only a silhouette and asked the man for police identification.

    "I just thought I was getting hijacked right then and there," she said. After some heated give-and-take between the two over IDs, Johnson approached the window and demanded Gullas' license.

    He wrote in his report that Gullas smelled of alcohol but refused to produce her license, saying she wasn't doing anything wrong.

    She shifted the car into reverse and began to back up, he wrote. Gullas denies that she moved the car.

    Johnson wrote that he reached inside to open the door, and Gullas pinned his hand with her knee and began moving the car backward again. Johnson wrote that he hit her in the face, opened the door and pulled her outside onto the pavement. He said she was pulling and pushing away from him violently.

    He cuffed her right hand, but couldn't get to her left hand, which she had tucked under her body. He pulled on her coat sleeve and she pulled her hand inside, he wrote. Gullas denied doing that and said the sleeves on the coat normally hang over her hands.

    Concerned that she might be reaching for a weapon, Johnson pulled out a pocket knife and cut the sleeve off "to speed up cuffing process," he wrote.

    He severed her left ring finger at the top knuckle and deeply cut her middle finger, she said. Police at the scene recovered the fingertip, but it could not be reattached.

    At her east side home Monday, Gullas nursed her bandaged hand, which required surgery at Detroit Receiving Hospital.

    "I wasn't fighting. I just didn't know what the heck was going on," she said. "Oh, my God, it hurts. I might as well have cut the whole hand off."

    Contact JIM SCHAEFER at 313-223-4542 or schaefer@freepress.com.

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    Gunguy

    Edited by: AGunguy at: 1/8/03 12:04:13 am


    kdub01
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    Yup, Gunny -

    That smells big time of a law suit - doubt it'll ever go to court, being quickly and quietly settled by the City.

    Don't know if I'd even wear a T shirt in that precinct!!
    "Keep Off The Ridgeline"


    ImMrBill
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    (1/8/03 12:53:07 am)
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    That whole incident sounds suspect. One can't even sit in their own vehicle without being harassed by the U know who.


    Shizamus
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    (1/8/03 2:52:16 am)
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    Harrassed by U know Who ? Who is U know Who ?
    Do you mean those Nazi Gestapo Fascist Goosestepping Cops? Those same Nazi cops that are harrassing people in
    bars and restaurants pretending they are alcohol police and dragging them outside for sobriety test ? You mean those
    same Nazi cops that terrorized a family on vacation in
    Tennessee where these Nazi cops blew the head off the
    family dog with a shotgun ? and later said that there
    has been a mistake ! The family was on CNN tonight, and
    Connie Chung called it the Vacation from Hell ! These same
    Nazi cops are cutting fingers off people's hands that have
    done nothing wrong !
    What is the name of this Gulag we are living in ?

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    Edited by: Shizamus at: 1/8/03 2:56:51 am


    Zigzag2
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    Is there a pattern comming together here or what?

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    "Tell the gossipers and liars I will see them in the fire" - Johnny Cash, Let the train whistle blow
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    cointoss 2
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    Yepper, he in fact severed her ring finger tip trying to cut her coat off to handcuff her. Ouchhh!!! Of course I wasn't there but he has already cost the pd 350k for a past incident. Any bets on a discrinination law suit if he is fired?
    cointoss2


    ImMrBill
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    Shizamus, I see you know who.
    The day before Thanksgiving holiday our Ogres in four cars were pulling people over at the major intersection faster than they could figure why they were pulling them over. But that little technicality didn't matter, once they were pulled over they got a citation. It didn't matter whether it was valid or not, who can or is going to fight it?
    I was so intimidated by it I was almost afraid to go back to pick up my kid. I ended up going way out of my way to avoid that intersection for the remainder of the day in hopes they wouldn't stray elsewhere.
    The reason I was afraid was one pulled up next to me, I guess he couldn't get behind me from his U turn radius, and as we went through the intersection he tried to pull in behind me, so I took an immediate right turn into the 7-11 before he could get in behind me and he missed the turn. When I pulled back out he already had another van with a mom taking her kids to school pulled over and citiation book in hand. You should have seen it, they looked like a bunch of drunk stunt drivers endangering the public. Just as soon as they pulled away from writing one ticket, the lights would go on after the very next car that passed by, in either direction. Those U turns they were doing were dangerous in anyone’s book. But you know as well as I, it's all about $$.
    They don't even have an obligation to protect the individual citizen from harm. It's not in their charter.
    I began to suspect after the standard street cops started dressing in black fatigues instead of the old blue that something evil was up. Now I'm convinced.
    I have no respect for them just as they have no respect for us. They are their own society above the law. How many lawman do you know that have ever gotten a citation when off duty? One told me it was a professional courtesy.
    I have recently heard of one human in uniform, he refused to arrest a homeless person for living in a parking lot in NY or NJ . He was forced to take an unpaid leave of absence. The homeless chipped in to give him a pay check. I think he should've gotten a bonus and a promotion. He's probably either been kicked off the force or on perminant butt kissing desk duty.
    My Gulag is called The Socialist Democratic Republic Kalifornia where crime is considered a legitimate profession.


    1952Sniper
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    I gotta say that not all cops are like that. I have been pulled over 3 times in the last 5 years for speeding, and every time I drove away without a speeding ticket. I did get cited during one of those incidents for not having my license updated to my new address, but they let the speeding go and gave me the lesser of the two (not a moving violation).

    I'll share a little story.... the last time I got pulled over was after dark in the small town of Pipe Creek Texas. It was a Sheriff's deputy. I was going 65 in a 55 zone. The guy was very polite and courteous but I made the mistake of getting out of my car. He sternly warned me NEVER to get out of the car, especially after dark. At this point, I was sure he was angry and was going to give me a ticket. Anyway, he asked me some questions about where I was going in such a hurry and the usual stuff, like what I did for a living. I told him I was an engineer. He asked for my license and insurance, and told me he would be back in a minute. As I gave him my license, he saw the Texas A&M ring on my finger. As he was walking away, he asked what school I went to. I said Texas A&M. He stopped immediately, spun around, and handed me back my license. Then he shook my hand, told me to have a nice evening and to slow down.

    Another time I was driving through Elgin, Texas. A young cop pulled me over, and I knew he had pulled over the wrong guy. A car very similar to mine had whizzed past me a few minutes before, and it had taken the cop a couple of miles to catch up. Anyway, I told him that he had the wrong guy, and he seemed a little insulted by it. I had my wife and stepdaughter in the car with dogs and luggage, and he could clearly see that I would not have been driving that fast. Anyway, he saw my Aggie ring, asked where I went to school, then let me off the hook.

    They're not all jack-booted thugs. At least, not out here in the country.
    Macht kaputt, was euch kaputt macht!

    Edited by: 1952Sniper at: 1/8/03 5:52:40 pm


    LIKTOSHOOT
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    Sometimes nothing goes right-example: Just a few days ago a undercover narcotics officer was shot in the Dallas area, (she) will be paralized from the waist down.....for the rest of her life. Shot by a young man in the store she ran into, Mom&Pop type store. Two lives are ruined, his and hers.

    Senerio: Undercover drug bust, something goes wrong....she runs for cover (?) something......and burst into this small store, hooded face, pistol drawn....NO VISIBLE ID, DEA-FBI-TASK FORSE....ect. Young man reaches for pistol under counter, takes her out, center mass!!! NO VEST, ??????

    She`s done!

    FAULT LIES WHERE?????

    LTS


    Shizamus
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    In my previous post my intent is not to broadbrush all cops.
    There are good ones out there but fewer and fewer as the
    old one's retire and they get replaced by these young punk
    cops on ego trips that think the Constitution is illegal and
    contraband. Gone are the days of " Serve and Protect " now
    it is law enFORCEment. They think they are enforcing the law.
    All they are enforcing is city ordinances, city policy, statutes
    for the corporations that they work for. It is all about revenue
    and money. Crime is a growth industry and they are responsi-
    ble for the growth. This is the land of the free and the brave
    and yet we have 6 million people in jails, more than any other country. And most of them are victimless crimes. Not to mention we have private prisons, which is a conflict of interest. When you have prisons for profit you need more prisoners, that's the way i read it.

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    Zigzag2
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    Hey AGunguy, that ain't no law suit you smellin'

    that's the stale donuts I ate yesterday mornin'


    twins
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    Depends LTS, do you feel that the "war on drugs" is a worth while endeavor. Either way, fault is hers in my book. Placing blame will not make her walk again, the only thing that would make the situation worse would be if the guy who shot her was charged.

    twins


    LIKTOSHOOT
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    Twins, I think the war on drugs is a farce; and is also used to strip away rights. If we really wanted to wage a war on drugs, it would be over in weeks. That proves there is profit, not only from selling them..........but busting them too AND all the bootie law enforcement seizes. A cash cow from both ends.

    LTS


    Shizamus
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    Anytime the government declares a war on anything
    we always have more of the same !
    War on drugs= more drugs
    " ' poverty = more poverty
    illiteracy, pregnancy, or what ever = more !

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    toolman846
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    Anyone want to talk about entertaining the notion there's no cure for cancer because there's more money in LOOKING for a cure than in FINDING it?


    Shizamus
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    toolman846, you are right on !
    If they found a cure for cancer the economy would colapse.

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