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J. P. Sauer & Sohn hammer shotgun

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by Slivver, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. Slivver

    Slivver New Member

    Apr 10, 2009
    I recently acquired this shotgun and have been working to understand what the proofs and other stamped info mean. It came from an estate auction so I don't know anything about the gun's history.

    The gun in question is:

    J. P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl 12 Ga. Shotgun

    Double Barrel, External Hammers, Double Triggers

    29 ½ inch Barrels, matted top rib with bead front sight

    Round Body Rebounding Back Action, "Island" Locks

    Walnut cheek piece stock

    Horn trigger guard, smooth steel buttplate

    Lots of proofmarks and stamps on barrels and receiver water table

    Made prior to 1891 (Crown over V proofmark)

    Some light surface pitting on rear of left barrel and left side receiver

    Bores mostly bright with some some light discoloration and pitting near chambers

    Small dent on left barrel

    Tight lockup between barrels and receiver

    Hammer action crisp

    Wood in good condition with some dents and dings

    Checkering visible but worn

    Crack 1” in top of stock at buttplate “point”

    Sling swivels have been removed

    I believe this gun began as a blackpower shotgun, made before 1891 because of the Crown/V proofs. I understand that guns made before the 1891 proof law were submitted to the proof house to grandfather them under the new law. I think the Crown/W means "choked", the Crown/U means "proof approved" (blackpowder?), and the Crown/R means "repaired". There are some obviously newer proofs as well--Eagle/J (Suhl proof house?), Eagle/N (nitro proof?), Hammer and something in Shield (no idea), and 442 (altered or repaired in April 1942?). The right hand barrel has data that I assume described the proof powder and shot charges: 5-3/4 S.P. 34-1/2 B.L. Left hand barrel has serial number (45906), under the serial is 717Q (?) and "Nicht fur Kugel" (not for slugs). The ejector is suspiciously bright and smooth compared to the surrounding metal, and the gun locks up like a new one, so that may explain the new proofs and repair date? What is the 13 beside the circled 9?

    I have attached photos of the gun and markings. I will really appreciate any help, both in confirming or correcting what I have so far, and in adding any additional info. I would also like to know approximate value. More photos are available if you want a close-up of any part of the shotgun.



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    Last edited: Apr 22, 2009