Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by fedupdon, Aug 8, 2009.

  1. fedupdon

    fedupdon New Member

    Jun 3, 2008
    I know this is kind of like shooting a dead horse, but it just irritates me that this goes on and is perfectly "legal" in California. I don't know how legal construction guys, for example, can put up with it.

    Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

    You have 2 families, Joe Legal and Jose Illegal.Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California .
    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.
    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table."
    Joe Legal ... $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week = $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
    Jose Illegal ... $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week = $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal pays for Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage ... $1000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00.
    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps or Welfare so Joe Legal pays for food... $1,000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole -$4,769.00.
    Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month = $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays and gets a part time job after work to make ends meet.
    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
    Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal'schildren both attend the same school.
    Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get free government sponsored lunches.
    Joe Legal's children go home after school. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program which, again, is provided free of charge.
    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe Legal paid for them, and Jose Illegal did not pay.
  2. SpazFreak1911

    SpazFreak1911 New Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    New york city
    well this is social injustice but all i see it he's in the country raising his kids and as long as those kids are smart and get skilled jobs to help the country in the future then thats fine they can stay BUT if he raises his kids to be criminals and unskilled burger flipper get the hell out of the country we need more educated skilled workers not more manual laborers

  3. Trouble 45-70

    Trouble 45-70 New Member

    Apr 10, 2009
    NE Ar. W. of Black River
    There is a procedure for entering the country LEGALY! Yes I'm shouting.
  4. SpazFreak1911

    SpazFreak1911 New Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    New york city
    yes there is but are the following it? no there not so what are we gonna do about it well first thing is the US has to stop giving illegals the opportunity to get jobs There are plenty of other rich countries in the world. In fact there are a lot of countries that have a more liberal political structure, better welfare and even a better happiness index. But why are illegal immigrants not flooding these countries? There are no jobs there for people that do not go there legally. so the US has to do they same only then will this problem be solved
  5. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Jul 28, 2008
    DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of E. Texas!
    Any one who hires illegals, goes to jail. That should stop it!
  6. shootstr8er

    shootstr8er New Member

    May 3, 2009
    cent fl.the mouse is 30 miles north.and tampa 60 m
    no, your going to incarcerate(sp) 25% of american industry// make them pay meds,ins,fica.and income tax..and make whites,blacks,all groups..go back to work..
  7. 358 winchester

    358 winchester New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Pensacola Fl. area
    IF we would just [​IMG] about 1% of the ones in prison in the town squares it would slow down the border crossing and we could secure our borders next
    [​IMG] Then deport every illegal we can find. If they want to come back they have to have a sponsor and do it the right way . If they come back illegal a second time then just [​IMG] It is as simple as that would only take a few second offenders and this crap would stop. see below

    From the L. A. Times

    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are

    working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal

    immigrants working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on

    Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals

    here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal

    aliens from south of the border.

    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

    10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.

    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

    (All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

    Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California,

    Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons

    are illegal aliens .

    We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue

    If this doesn't open your eyes nothing will, and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi wants them to become voters!


    Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

    Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of

    saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that

    we're going to keep doing this until we drain every

    cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is


    Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.

    In other words tax what you have made by investing toward

    your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't

    going to believe this. Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants

    to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including

    Retirement Fund, 401K and Mutual Funds)! Alas, it is

    true - all to help the 12 million Illegal immigrants and other

    unemployed minorities!

    This woman is frightening.

    She quotes... 'We need to work toward the goal of equalizing

    income (didn't Marx say something like this?) in our country

    and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.'

    (I am not rich, are you?) When asked how these new tax dollars

    would be spent, she replied:

    'We need to raise the standard of living of our poor,

    unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an

    estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who

    need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities.

    Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to

    guarantee these people the standard of living they would like

    to have as 'Americans'.'

    (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in.) 'Lower

    your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you

    have for it'.

    This lady is out of her mind and she is the Speaker of the House!

    I note that Democrats and Republicans alike are promoting

    this so we do need to get rid of all of them and start over

    with new ones that want this country to prosper all over

    again. Yesssssss??????
  8. kingchip

    kingchip New Member

    Jul 2, 2009
    Marble Falls, Texas

    Ask her how her American Somoan employees that are not subject to US labor laws are doing over there.
  9. Tom Militano

    Tom Militano New Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Jacksonville, AL
    I think MOST politicians are totally useless. Show me a poor one.
  10. SpazFreak1911

    SpazFreak1911 New Member

    Aug 5, 2009
    New york city
    ahaha in the USA ahahah fat chance the only poor one you might find are the small politicians in communities or something like that ahah but in our govt hahaha yea right
  11. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    So, the rich aren't allowed to create jobs anymore by investing in businesses? Now that makes a bunch of sense.

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