Just a thought.

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  1. PRR1957

    PRR1957 Well-Known Member

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    With all the 1911 competition parts out there, the 1911 is the Chevy big block of guns.

    P.S. I have had five 1911's over the years, and every one I built up from parts.

    Aim small. Hit small./M. Gibson/The Patriot
     
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    There is definitely a host of high performance parts available for the 1911.
     

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    I'd like to do that where can you buy the base frame? In a gun shop?
     
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    PRR1957 Well-Known Member

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    The last one I built was a stripped Colt frame from a small gun shop in Illinois that I think still advertises in Shot Gun News. Try Brownells. Stay away from Essex (I had one and the frame cracked where the pin that holds the ejector.)and Norinco which is inferior Chines made steel. Plus with Brownells you can get all the hot rod parts. But in the end you will have spent almost as much as Kimber, but you will have put it together and have better under standing of the gun.

    If you can get a Kart, "Easy Fit" barrel, that makes the job a lot easier.

    If at possible try to find a IMI MN slide. My last build was with one of those and that is one tough slide. also the rail is over sized and grove is under sized so it has to be fitted to the frame for as minimum tolerance fit.
     
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    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

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    Inferior Chinese Steel?? Some of the finest custom 1911's built started out with Norinco frames!
     
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    I have built one from an Essex frame and I have owned 3 Norincos. I have been happy with all of them.

    If the Norinco steel is so bad why did Wilson list it on their list of different manufacturers they would build from?

    I have seen quotes like this several times.
     
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    BTW, the Norincos were from the days when you could buy one for $150-250. I will not pay the $500 asking price today when you have RIA customs for $400.
     
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    A friend of mine has a Norinco that I tightened up the frame to slide fit and with in 100 rounds it shot its self loose again. Also all the dimensions are in metric. Norinco use non certified recycled steel. If it was a Polytech maybe. The barrel link hole in the frame is so low that to get the barrel to lock up properly I had to add a longer link. Now the firing pin hits the primer .010" low. With out adding a longer link the gun was unlocking before the bullet left the barrel.

    I would rather buy from an American manufacture. China gets to much of my money all ready.
     
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    tuckerd1 Moderator Supporting Member

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    Barrel lockup is something that should be looked at on any production 1911. It can greatly increase accuracy with a different link.
     
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    Now we are getting to the bottom of this.
     
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    His Norinco was from the early 1990's. Maybe now they use better steel. His is a rattly POS. Also. The machine tool marks are so bad that I could had made it better with files. My Essex was also from the early 1990's.
     
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    tuckerd1 Moderator Supporting Member

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    They definitely ain't purdy! But they are shooters with a little tuning.
     
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    The links cross hole was drilled in the wrong location, so I had to use a longer link.

    Like I said maybe now, but not from back then.
     
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    My Essex frame cracked at the pin hole for the ejector retainer pin and the crack went up into the frame rail. I was using Wolf recoil springs and slide buffers.

    Back in the 1990's when the big shooting sport was IPSC, none of the race gun builders would use ether of those two brands. You would get laughed at if asked build up a Essex or Norinco.
     
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    Norinco may be cheap in price. But that's about all.
    Years ago a customer brought in a Norinco in to my shop and asked for some custom work.
    Being a big Colt fan and a solid fan of " if it ain't built in North America , it ain't worth working on" I told him I would not work on a Norinco because they are junk and if he wanted me to work on it he would have to prove me wrong.
    Well he brought me a metallurgy report (that I verified to make sure it was real) on the Norinco 1911 and it surpassed the quality of the average WW2 Colt 1911-A1.
    With fewer and fewer old Colts around , I now refuse to modify an old Colt.
    And will only work on Norinco 1911s because they can be had up here for $350 NIB. Canadian dollars or about $250 US.
     
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