Just the Facts

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Tracker, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. Tracker

    Tracker New Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Lake County Ohio

    The Toledo Blade has published two excellent letters to the
    editor in which writers respond to a bigoted and derogatory
    op-ed published recently by anti-gun extremist Marilou

    Having once expressed her (very wrong) prediction that
    concealed carry would present Ohio with a "worst-case scenario
    when road, work, or play rage finds a trigger within easy
    reach", Johanek deserves to have her credibility questioned by
    readers of the Toledo Blade.

    March 16, 2006
    Toledo Blade

    Facts ease fears about gun law

    Rather than play to the irrational fears of people who don't
    really understand the pros and cons of concealed carry,
    perhaps Blade columnist Marilou Johanek should look at the

    1. Every jurisdiction in which concealed carry has been passed
    has experienced a reduction in crime, especially violent

    2. Since the passage of Ohio's concealed-carry law two years
    ago, there has not been a single instance of a "bad shoot" by
    any licensed carrier.

    3. No other state has required concealed-carry license holders
    to jump through hoops to keep their pistols "in plain sight"
    or locked up in a vehicle. Extra handling of firearms
    increases safety risks and a locked-up firearm is useless in
    the kind of emergency that influences people to have them in
    the first place.

    4. The efficacy of concealed carry for reducing crime depends,
    in part, on people not knowing who is armed and who is not.
    That way, all potential victims are potentially armed and
    criminals are deterred. Making public the information about
    who is armed takes away that advantage from those who are not.

    5. Concealed-carry license holders are one-third as likely as
    the average citizen to commit any crime. They are one-seventh
    as likely as the average citizen to commit a violent crime.

    6. Concealed-carry license holders must pass a thorough
    criminal-records check in order to be licensed. Can you say
    that about the person standing next to you in the checkout
    line, the one who is, perhaps, carrying illegally?

    Law-abiding citizens exercise their right

    In response to Marilou Johanek's rant and her extreme dislike
    of a constitutional right, I ask her what is the problem with
    licensed individuals who pass a state and federal background
    check carrying a concealed gun? These people who jump through
    all the hoops and training to get a license have proven that
    they are the most trustworthy and law-abiding of citizens.

    We are not talking about criminals here, as in Ms. Johanek's
    complete disdain for anybody who believes in this right would
    have us think. Licensed concealed carry for the State of Ohio
    is a law that does need some fixing. What good is this state
    law if cities can circumvent or make up their own laws? I
    can't understand why she is so opposed to law-abiding people
    exercising a right when we all benefit because the criminals
    in society don't know who is or who isn't armed.

    I thank our founders for adding that pesky Second Amendment to
    our Constitution.
  2. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico

    Great article that one is. Facts bear out the "Streets are going to run with blood" statement that is SO common.

    Edit about Reagan. He wasn't a real supporter of the second amendment, you know that right?
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2006

  3. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    It's very true. Reagen was the best we've had since the earliest days,

    BUT - -

    he wasn't thrilled about the Second......
  4. Meplat

    Meplat New Member

    Mar 19, 2006
    Tracker: Excellent letter to the editor!

    Could you enlighten me on this subject? I seem to remember Ronnie's daughter getting on camera just as soon as she was able, talking about how guns were now going to be outlawed and this would "NEVER" happen again, and her Daddy taking her to task before his stitches were even out from the assassination attempt. Did I miss something?
  5. Tracker

    Tracker New Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Lake County Ohio

    I personally did not agree with Reagan on several issues, however ---the Media--as you know--will twist the facts to fit their agenda. My signature is a statement made by Reagan that I firmly agree with, and History will prove his support of the "peoples" rights. I am quick to condemn, therefore I must be quick to condone.

    Reagan came by his support for 2nd Amendment honestly

    GRAND FORKS - History will remember Ronald Reagan as one of America's
    greatest presidents, but long before he was recognized as the man who
    helped win the Cold War, he was a genuine hero to a woman named Melba

    According to recently-surfaced reports, when Reagan was a radio
    sportscaster in Des Moines, Iowa back in the fall of 1933, he came to the
    rescue - gun in hand - of King, who then was a 22-year-old nursing
    student. King recently recalled the incident to a Des Moines television
    station, noting that a mugger had come up from behind to rob her, outside
    the rooming house where Reagan was living.

    The robbery was thwarted when Reagan appeared in a second-floor window,
    gripping a .45-caliber pistol and telling the mugger to "leave her alone
    or I'll shoot you right between the shoulders."

    Small wonder, then, that the man who would later become president
    understood the value of gun ownership. During his time as president,
    Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which was written to
    protect law-abiding gun owners from harassment for merely exercising their
    constitutional right to own firearms.

    President Reagan understood that honest gun owners are not a threat. After
    all, the man took a bullet less than three months into his first term, yet
    never used that as an excuse to make his office a bully pulpit for gun
    bans or repeal of the Second Amendment. He clearly separated the act of
    madman John Hinckley from the everyday actions of millions of
    legally-armed citizens.

    President Reagan was a man of common values with the uncommon good sense
    not to compromise them. He learned from personal experience that good
    people could, and should, be trusted with firearms, and that their civil
    rights - including the right of self-defense - are not negotiable. That's
    as true today as it was that night in 1933.

    Mark D. Peterson

    Reagan supported

    NRA and vice-versa

    KENNEDY, Minn. - A great president, patriot and man was buried June 11.
    But NBC's Katie Couric and Sarah Brady didn't even have the common decency
    to wait untill after President Reagan's funeral was completed before they
    shamelessly tried to forward their gun-ban agenda with blatant lies.

    In 1983, Reagan proudly accepted the National Rifle Association's highest
    honor, an honorary life membership. But Brady claimed "he wasn't an NRA
    member" and that he "worked hard" for passage of the so-called "assault
    weapons" ban.

    In fact, Reagan owned an AR-15 and was a strong and consistent supporter
    of the Second Amendment and the NRA.

    He actively courted the NRA's endorsement and was the first presidential
    candidate in history to get it.

    He was the first and, to date, only sitting president to speak at the NRA
    annual meeting, at which he said, in part, "the NRA believes America's
    laws were made to be obeyed and that our Constitutional liberties are just
    as important today as 200 years ago. And by the way, the Constitution does
    not say government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms.

    "The Constitution says, 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms
    shall not be infringed.'"

    In 1986, Reagan signed the Firearms Owners Protection Act and never blamed
    law-abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals.

    Couric and Brady's attempt to rewrite history not only is outrageous, but
    also it indicates the indecent lengths the media will go to in order to
    advance their anti-self protection agenda.

    D.J. Hammond
  6. Meplat

    Meplat New Member

    Mar 19, 2006
    Tracker, this is the Ronald W. Reagan that I remember. He was the first presidential candidate I ever had the privilege to vote for, and for the life of me, I can't rember a single time this gun-owning, gun toting good old boy from down South ever regretted that vote due to Mr. Reagan's stances on gun ownership. I will admit that I was a young man not overly given to political analysis at that point in my life, and would rather have spent time on the ground looking up for tree rats, or time in the trees looking down for Bambi, but I feel as if I were at least fairly well informed on politicians' stances on things that were near and dear to me.

    By the time his second term rolled around, I was a father, and thus far more interested in the politics of the times. I still cannont, as a gun owner and lover of things that go boom and are accurate, recall a single instance when RWR ever lead me to feel let down in regards to my rights to keep and bear arms.

    Guess that's the reason for my confusion re: Reagan not "being a great friend of the 2nd amendment".
  7. Tracker

    Tracker New Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Lake County Ohio
    Meplat--your making me homesick---haven"t heard "treerats" since I left the hills of Tenn. HaHaHa. Your right--I also cannot remember a time when he turned his back on our 2nd amend rights, as I stated in my earlier post " the media will twist the facts to fit their agenda ". I had issues with some of the things that happened under his admin, as we do under every administration. However--- I can find no reason to believe that he did not support the 2nd amendment. If anyone has documentation stating otherwise { other than from the Brady Bunch } I would love to read it.
  8. Meplat

    Meplat New Member

    Mar 19, 2006
    Know this is off topic, but as a fellow Tennessee native, I certainly hope you keep tree rat heads for later use with biscuits and gravy. So many folks down thisaway throw them away -what a waste! And this nigh on to Louisiana, where they'll eat most anything what don't eat them first. :D
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