Larry Elder...Michael & Me...The Movie

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by RugerNiner, Aug 26, 2005.

  1. RugerNiner

    RugerNiner New Member

    Apr 8, 2003
    Lancaster, Pa.
    Larry Elder did this Documentary on owning Guns and the Second Amendment. He put Michael Moore in his Place by confronting him like Moore did Charlton Heston. I believe we should buy this DVD to help spread the word about how having a CCW decreases Crime where CCW has been put into practice (this is in the DVD).

    Larry Elder

    Michael & Me — The movie | "Michael & Me," my self-financed, independent film, recently debuted on


    Michael Moore argues that America possesses "too many guns." If so, why in the last 20 years — with gun ownership up — has violent crime declined in America? Liberals believe gun control reduces crime. Does it? What about the effect on urban crime when cities outlaw so-called "cheap Saturday night specials"?

    How often do Americans use guns for defensive purposes? I wanted to put this question to Moore. He tells us, for example, that over 11,000 people die each year because of guns. But how many Americans credit their lives with their ability to use a gun to defend themselves?

    "Michael & Me" asks why, if America possesses "too many guns," is the murder rate among Japanese Americans actually lower than in Japan? And why, in England, with severe gun restriction, is the English murder rate growing, and the violent crime rate — assaults, car thefts, hot burglaries — now exceeding ours?

    As Moore did in his entertaining film "Roger & Me," I sought out the director — some might say "ambushed" — in order to ask him a few questions. (You'll have to see my film to find out what happens.)

    My film interviews victims of crimes, those who protected themselves with firearms, gun owners, criminals, police officers, authors and academicians. Texas State Representative Susanna Hupp describes how she witnessed her mother and father executed by a gunman in a restaurant. The film also interviews Jane Doe, who, two days before she got raped, attempted to purchase a handgun — only to be thwarted by California's 10-day waiting period.

    Some believe that the Second Amendment only confers a collective right — as part of a state militia — rather than an individual right to keep and bear arms. The film notes that the Founding Fathers clearly intended the Second Amendment to serve as a bulwark against possible tyranny by government. Why would the Founding Fathers limit the right to "keep and bear arms" to a government militia if threatened with tyranny by government?

    Many Founding Fathers wrote extensively on the subject. Thomas Jefferson said, "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." George Washington stated, "A free people ought to be armed."

    Former Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey agrees. In 1959, he said, "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."

    Respected historian Garry Wills, in a recent C-SPAN interview, called the individual-rights school flat-out wrong: "The idea that my gun protects me from my government is not in the Founders . . . it's just not there. . . . The use of the militia originally was to be a defense of the country, and the proof of that is very simple. The federal government can federalize, can put into federal service any militia at any time it wants. So the idea that the militia can be used against the federal government is nonsense."

    Nonsense? Former Attorney General John Ashcroft wrote: "[L]et me state unequivocally . . . the Second Amendment clearly protect(s) the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms."

    Alan Dershowitz said, "Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming that it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a safety hazard don't see the danger of the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like."

    Harvard Constitutional Law professor Laurence Tribe writes that the Second Amendment is subject to "reasonable regulation," but calls gun control extremists wrong when they say the Second Amendment restricts the right to "state militias" like the National Guard. Tribe said, "The Fourteenth Amendment, which makes parts of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, reflected a broad agreement that bearing arms was a 'privilege' of each citizen."

    Maybe historian Wills believes guns cannot thwart a tyrannical government, but tyrants do.

    Vladimir Lenin said, "One man with a gun can control 100 without one."

    Mao Tse-tung said, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

    Joseph Stalin said, "We don't let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?"

    Adolf Hitler said, "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their fall by doing so."

    "Michael & Me," in my humble opinion, also features an entertaining animated sequence in which Moore finally sits down for a "hard" interview with the filmmaker. Liberals, however, be forewarned: Some of you may find the contents disturbing. For a fact to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

    Enjoy "Michael & Me."

    JWR contributor Larry Elder is the author of, most recently, "Showdown: Confronting Bias, Lies and the Special Interests That Divide America."
  2. Colonel Klink

    Colonel Klink New Member

    Jun 24, 2005
    Oakland CA and Reno NV
    Saw Elder last night on Hannity & Combs. He was very good. Already ordered three copies so we have two to pass around and peak peoples interest.

  3. nobby

    nobby New Member

    Jul 9, 2005
    Unfortunately, Larry's good work will likely largely be overlooked becuase:

    1. he's black. Generally speaking too many pro-gun folks won't view him as a having enough credibility to advocate gun rights. I don't see him being welcomed with open arms by pro gun folks. Nor do I see hoards of whites actually spending much money on a book or DVD that doesn't have a white face prominently attached to it as a sort of "reassurance". The "Charleton Heston crowd will not be seeking Elder as a spokesman anytime soon. :eek:

    2. the black community will further scold him as a "sellout" for having a view different from the "consensus" view. It happens to any black person who steps outside the assigned box. Shame because blacks need to support the RKBA more than other group, in my opinion. They are disproportionately more victimized by violent criminals. Also a shame because MANY, MANY blacks DO privately share his views. :(

    3. the media is not interested in conservative blacks. He's not talking about reparations (and when he does, he slams it) or how racist the world is. Very similar to 2 above. Of course, he may get some coverage by way of criticism from the media, who will help blacks label him as an Uncle Thomas. :(

    I hope that I turn out to be wrong but I think I'll be right on a solid two out of three above. :rolleyes:
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2005
  4. Deputy Dawg

    Deputy Dawg Active Member

    Aug 11, 2005
    Central Texas Gulf Coast
    Personaly I do care if he is white,black,brown,yellow or pink with white poke a dotsi if he supports the second amendment 100% he has my support and i will call him friend.
  5. nobby

    nobby New Member

    Jul 9, 2005
    Oh, I am sure there will be people who personally support him, like yourself. But I'd be stunned to see an organized effort to claim this dude as a key spokeperson for RKBA.
  6. Penfold

    Penfold New Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    Capital Region of NY
    I used to listen to his show, but the station that carried his show changed formats. :mad:
  7. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Central NJ
    I put this on my Blockbuster online list months ago and finally it came. What a great movie. I plan on buying a few copies and sharing them with friends who are ignorant of gun rights. I would say all gun owners should do what they can to promote this movie. This movie should be shown on TV.
    I plan on contacting the History Channel, TLC and Discovery to push for that.
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