I am going to buy some Lee Dies for 9mm. I had read that if you load brass that was not used in your gun then you need to used the Lee FC die. Is that true? I thought that the size/decap die would take care of that. Do I need the 4 die set for 9mm or is 3 ok?
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I use the FCD mainly because I had a lot of trouble getting the Hornady seating/crimping die adjusted correctly. It was a real pain trying to set the crimp correctly without changing the seating depth. I suspect with more experience I could learn the trick to setting both.
However, so many people raved about the FCD that I decided to give it a try and I'm glad I did. Setting it is dead simple and reliable.
However, so many people raved about the FCD that I decided to give it a try and I'm glad I did. Setting it is dead simple and reliable.
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No, you don't need an FCD if using once fired brass (from other guns). The sizing die should return the case to pre-fired spec. IMO, an FCD is good only if you are fixing a problem from misadjusted dies, meaning if you adjust your dies correctly an FCD isn't needed. I've reloaded a few 9mm and a bunch of 45 ACP and have never used a post seating sizing die. Learn proper die adjustment and reloading methods and ya won't need one...
My Pop always told me to do it right the first time and you won't have to do it over again.
My Pop always told me to do it right the first time and you won't have to do it over again.
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Maxx, you can do fine with just a three die set. I used three die sets for years and years and only after people here talked about the Lee FCD did I get and start using them. Even though it takes an extra step with my single stage press I find it more convenient and I get better more consistent crimps. But they are not necessary to make good reloads.
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Todd51, I agree with your post. I have a Dillion I added the Lee FC to an extra port. This is an amazing die for locking in heavy bullets for light weight handguns. The heavy .45 slugs were over comming the light weight custom SAA. The LFC works great.
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3 die set for 9mm should be fine,
not much crimp needed.
Some of my toolheads are set up with
3pc and some with 4pc.....it just depends
on the caliber and the usage.
My best use for the extra station with a
factory crimp die is changing the projectiles
that I use that may need more/less crimp.
It never disturbs my seating die.....or just seems
easier and faster to adjust.
not much crimp needed.
Some of my toolheads are set up with
3pc and some with 4pc.....it just depends
on the caliber and the usage.
My best use for the extra station with a
factory crimp die is changing the projectiles
that I use that may need more/less crimp.
It never disturbs my seating die.....or just seems
easier and faster to adjust.
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I use it for all auto loading guns, rifle or pistol.
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I don't use them for pistol and just started using the FCD for rifle (.308 and .223), really no need unless you have a gas gun or something that beats up the round as it feeds.
supposedly it gives better accuracy due to pressure consistency but it's not necessary by any means.
supposedly it gives better accuracy due to pressure consistency but it's not necessary by any means.
There are two completely different LEE Factory Crimp Dies (LFCD) that work completely differently yet LEE gives them the same name (dumb but good for sales): handgun and rifle. And in the handgun LFCD there are regular crimp for revolvers and taper crimp for semi-auto cartridges that headspace on the rim of the case.
The rifle LFCD set use a collet to squeeze the case neck horizontally onto the bullet. While you need to trim rifle cases so they will fit the chamber correctly, variations in case length within reason do not effect the quality of the crimp. You also minimize the possibility of collapsing the shoulder of the case from over crimping. But if you overdo it then the bullet may get deformed.
The pistol LFCD is nothing more than a die that only crimps for either revolver cartridges or taper crimp for semi-auto cartridges. This pistol version has a carbide ring in the bottom so that it you over crimp and the case bulges, the carbide ring irons the bulge out of the case. It may also help for cases that came out of guns with poor support in the chamber area where the gun's feed ramp is located. But in the latter case it may not get all the bulge out.
Setting up a combo seating and crimp die is not rocket science if the press is a sturdy one (most are??). With the die set up to NOT crimp you iteratively seat the bullet until you get the right overall length (you have to over extend the bullet seating ram of the die and take it slow, not fully operating the press handle (just easy the bullet in to the correct overall length). Then you remove the bullet seating ram altogether. You then take the just bullet seated cartridge and slowly and iteratively lower the die to start getting a crimp. Once you have the correct crimp lock the die down. Put the test case on the press and raise the ram to full up and screw the bullet seating ram down onto the case with the bullet (softly). The test cartridge is used as a gage to set up the bullet seating depth. Lock down the seating ram and make a couple more test cases to be sure the bullet seating depth is correct and the crimp is good. if not you will have to duplicate the process again. There is little that can be done other than small changes to the seating depth.
All this being said about using the combo seating/crimp die, it is better to use a separate crimping die as the combo die is trying to seat the bullet while the crimp is being started. The results are not always perfect.
To be clear I recommend the LFCD for rifles but find no use for me for the handgun LFCD. Your requirements may be different than mine.
LDBennett
The rifle LFCD set use a collet to squeeze the case neck horizontally onto the bullet. While you need to trim rifle cases so they will fit the chamber correctly, variations in case length within reason do not effect the quality of the crimp. You also minimize the possibility of collapsing the shoulder of the case from over crimping. But if you overdo it then the bullet may get deformed.
The pistol LFCD is nothing more than a die that only crimps for either revolver cartridges or taper crimp for semi-auto cartridges. This pistol version has a carbide ring in the bottom so that it you over crimp and the case bulges, the carbide ring irons the bulge out of the case. It may also help for cases that came out of guns with poor support in the chamber area where the gun's feed ramp is located. But in the latter case it may not get all the bulge out.
Setting up a combo seating and crimp die is not rocket science if the press is a sturdy one (most are??). With the die set up to NOT crimp you iteratively seat the bullet until you get the right overall length (you have to over extend the bullet seating ram of the die and take it slow, not fully operating the press handle (just easy the bullet in to the correct overall length). Then you remove the bullet seating ram altogether. You then take the just bullet seated cartridge and slowly and iteratively lower the die to start getting a crimp. Once you have the correct crimp lock the die down. Put the test case on the press and raise the ram to full up and screw the bullet seating ram down onto the case with the bullet (softly). The test cartridge is used as a gage to set up the bullet seating depth. Lock down the seating ram and make a couple more test cases to be sure the bullet seating depth is correct and the crimp is good. if not you will have to duplicate the process again. There is little that can be done other than small changes to the seating depth.
All this being said about using the combo seating/crimp die, it is better to use a separate crimping die as the combo die is trying to seat the bullet while the crimp is being started. The results are not always perfect.
To be clear I recommend the LFCD for rifles but find no use for me for the handgun LFCD. Your requirements may be different than mine.
LDBennett
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