Lefever Shotgun

I have a 20 ga. Lefever side by side s/n 17 7222 which I believe was manufactured in the 1930's. Can anyone confirm that and give an estimated value of this good condition gun?

 

I have a double barrel Lefever shotgun that was owned by my grandfather.
The serial number is S262618. Can you tell me when and where this
gun was made, and the value.
Thanks.
RMalone

 

Reed,

Welcome to the forum.

With SN 262618, Your Ithaca Lefever shotgun would have been made around 1928 in Ithaca NY

Will need much more info if you want an idea of its value.

You did not mention what gauge it was. Ithaca Lefever doubles were made in 12, 16, 20 and .410 gauge. What gauge is yours.

We'll need real detailed info and pictures if you want any kind of an estimate of value. Like asking, what's my Ford truck worth.

Jolly

 

I have a 12 guage Lefever double barrel shot gun but cannot find the serial number marking anywhere on the gun? It has Lefever Arms Co, Ithaca NY on one barrel and Leferver Nitro special on the other barrel and water fowl on each side of the plating part. The butt stalk has a diamond like designs on both side and the hand rest has it on the under portion!

I was just wondering what year it was built and what type of barrel it would have by the description I gave!

Thanks

 

Sakebomber001,

Welcome to the forum.

If you pull the fore end off, the serial number will be visibly stamped on the fore end iron. If you separate the barrels from the receiver, you should see the same serial number visibly stamped on each part.

If you give us the SN, we can tell you about when it was made.

Pictures are nice too.

Hope this helps.

Jolly

 

Very good thanks for the info I will try and have them both up by the weekend!


Thanks,

Sake

 

"I took the barrel off the receiver and all that was there was the serial no.43079 which dates the Lefever at 1902 acording to a site I found on the web,There was also the letter I.How do you tell if it is a Damarcus barrel or regular barrel? Benny"

Benny
Based on the responses I've read here, I'm not sure you got the right answers to your question Friend. The "I" you referenced as being found on the frame water table is the Lefever grade Grade stamp. Lefever guns produced in Syracuse, NY were made in the following grades which, in ascending order, were grades DS (short for "Durston Special" after the name of the family who owned the company), I. H, G, F, E, D, C, B, A, AA, Optimus, 1000 Dollar Grade, and Presentation Grades in all manner of price ranges. In the case of your gun, the Grade I was the second lowest priced grade; and was only offered with fluid steel barrels, so your barrels should be a lower quality fluid steel. But these guns were largely made by hand, and the maker would accommodate reasonable customer requests; so the best thing to do is have the gun inspected by a qualified double gunsmith to actually determine the barrel steel used on this gun; and also to determine if these barrels are still sound (tight ribs, correct wall thickness, etc.) If sound, the gun can be safely fired with era appropriate shells such as those made by Polywad, or low-pressure (below 8,000PSI) hand-loads. I would never recommend shooting modern loads, even "lite" loads in a vintage double, as even light loads are loaded to higher pressures than these old guns were designed to handle. Also remember that, assuming those barrels are unmolested originals; the standard chamber length for a 12-bore Syracuse Lefever gun was 2 5/8". Shooting longer shells such as a 2 3/4" shell further raises chamber pressures.
To those other posters asking questions about guns marked Lefever/Lefever Nitro Special; those guns will all have 6-digit serial numbers, were produced by the Ithaca Arms Co of Ithaca, NY, and are not to be confused with the Syracuse, NY produced Lefever gun which has side-plates and serial numbers that max out in the low 7XXXX range. Ithaca purchased rights to the Lefever name from the Durston family in 1917; then used that great name, beginning in 1921-22, to market a cheap version of the Ithaca double gun called the "Lefever Nitro Special". Other than the fact that both these models have twin barrel tubes, they have virtually nothing in common.

 

@ Tom Archer;
I have a "DS" 20 ga. sn. 70232, which from the LACA web-site I have detemined was manufactured in 1914. On the LH watertable there are 2 marks, that I can best descibe as a square comprised of 4 triangles, 1 in each corner, and a diamond in the middle. these marks are side by side and identicle to each other. What are these marks ? As a teenager, back in the '70's, I fired many 2 3/4" field loads through this gun with no visible damage. Of course, they were lead shot, most 6 - 7 1/2 shot. I realize that without pictures you are limited to what you can tell me but, reading previous post you appear to be knowledgeable about older double guns. Is it possible to measure chamber depth without specialty tools ? What are the odds that this gun has a 2-1/2 or 2-5/8 chamber and I was just fortunate to not destroy the gun (and myself) ? To the best of my knowledge there is not a gunsmith in my area that specializes in antique firearms that can check the exact dim's and the gun seems very solid. I would love to get back to using it but, certainly do not want to cause any harm. Any insight is appreciated.

 

If the stamped marks you note above are "XX"; then that is Lefevers frame stamp mark thought to indicate a light weight, or small bore frame. That double XX stamp has been observed on every 20-bore Syracuse Lefever gun I've seen; and is also seen on a few light weight 16's. But these early Lefever guns can also be confusing, as I've owned a light-weight 12-bore Syracuse Lefever that had this same XX frame stamp; so the XX stamp was not always reserved only for Lefever small bores, and I've met no one who can explain why this stamp that was thought to be just for small-bore Lefevers would be on a 12-bore.
As to loads, with vintage guns it is always best to err on the side of caution; so if you can't find a gunsmith to verify chamber length, it would be best shoot some of the new "modern" 2 1/2" shot shells loaded to the same pressures these vintage guns were engineered to shoot. Go on line and check out vintage loads offered by Polywad, Gamebore, RST, and others; but if you do a search for shot shell makers offering 2 1/2 inch shells, I'm sure you'll get several hits. Best regards, and I hope you take your Lefever back to the field; as these are really excellent guns.

 

Most Lefevers, especially D.M. Lefevers have Damascus barrels. I am currently cleaning one in 16 ga., and when measured by gauge and caliper, had 2.375 inch chambers. This is the first time I encountered that length, although 2.5625 is what is usual in American 16 ga. guns. It weighs only 5.5 pounds, and the stock is uncut. Also, it is an "early" F grade, that looks a lot like a G grade. It does not have the "XX" stamp. I think that was a later development.

Damacus barrels of good quality were superior to non-Damascus back then because most cheap barrels weren't bored from bar stock, they were made of sheet steel, and seem welded , with the weld placed under the rib. Welding then was not like modern, but heating and hammer forging. Are there any parts sources at all?