Loading "Black Tip" 165gr. 30-06

All those powders listed are generally too fast for the .30-06. You might find data for 150 gr and lighter with the 8208XBR. you need to grab you a can of 4895 at the fastest and 4350 is ideal. Unless you load for Garand. then stick with 4895.

 

HS-6 is shotgun/pistol powder, pretty fast stuff; 4227 is for small rifle rounds and .410's and similar, also way too fast.

3031 is on the fast side for the '06 but I've used it for lead bullets with good results.

4895 either Hodgon or IMR is probably one of the better powders for .308/.30-06 especially if it's going in a gas gun

 

Nosler has data for their 165g bullets. Might be a good pace to look for starting loads.

 

Use starting load for any 165 gr bullet and seat the bullets so they fit the magazine.

 

Here is EXACTLY what you need: Google 'TM 43-0001-27, Small Arms Data Sheet'. This gives the epecifics on all small arms ammunition loads. In your case, the powder is IMR-4895, and the load/charge is given. Let us know if you pull this up and how it works for you - Jim

 

would imr 4064 be acceptable for them as well?

 

Take another look at the data. I think it gave 50.0 grains IMR-4895 for that load, but don't take my word for it. If you look at the M2 Ball load (150 grain FMJ) it also says 50.0 grains. I checked some old LC43 U.S. GI Ball ammo some years back, and the charge appeared to be 4895 at exactly 50 grains.

When I duplicate M2 loads, I use 48.4 grains IMR 4895 and a Remington large rifle primer in LC cases. These give me the best accuracy in my Garand, M1917 and M1903 Springfield. Velocity is about the same as the old GI loads, and I suspect that the current 4895 is slightly different than the old formula - or maybe it's how the Remington primers ignite it.

Depending what you are going to shoot them out of - as others correctly stated - if it's a Garand I'd stay away from ANYTHING but IMR-4895. That was what it was made to fire, and the gas system is made just for that burn rate and pressure curve. There are newer powders on the market, but an M1 is NOT a new rifle or a new design.

 

I run VARGET in my Garand at 48 gr under 155 gr bullets. It is an excellent modern rendition of M2 Ball. The 45.2 gr charge of H4895 seems about right for a starting charge under a 165 gr bullet.