Those won't count. When you apply for the Class III tax stamp, you'll have to resubmit everything. I think.I have already completed some of the requirements as I have a ccw license for Ohio, pic, prints and background ck with the atf.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53204.pdfWhere do I get form 4? I feel I should complete the form first. If the sheriff or police chief wont allow it then I wont have put the dealer through any grief with a lost sale of a weapon. Thanks.
You have to get approved first. I would think that payment for the firearm before or after approval would be up to the dealer. Most would probably make you pay up front. Considering the long approval process, they risk losing the sale to someone else during that time, if you're not approved.could you go through getting the tax stamp and ect. and then purchase your weapon? i don't like the idea of paying for something and havine to wait 4-5 months before i can get it, if i am even approved.
That will be up to each range to decide. One range I shoot at has a special area for full-auto weapons. Another range I go to won't allow it at all.also, would you be able to shoot that at the local target range or would you have to go someplace special?
Um yeah, that would be the smart thing to do.and do you have to carry this stamp with you whenever you take your weapon out?
The problem is that once the paperwork has been completed, you own the gun, and the previous owner cannot have it in his possesion.could you go through getting the tax stamp and ect. and then purchase your weapon? i don't like the idea of paying for something and havine to wait 4-5 months before i can get it, if i am even approved.
If you are buying parts, and putting them together to make a "short barreled rifle", then you don't use a Form 4 (which is for "tranferring" an NFA item), but instead use a Form 1 (which is for "MAKEING a firearm". http://www.titleii.com/Forms.htmWhat is the procedure to license/register an NFA short barreled rifle that was purchased incomplete? I dont have any of it yet but I will have to buy the gun parts first then the reciever separately. I assume I still need the tax stamp. Or do I? What about the seller since it would be an internet purchase all I have is a web name? Thanks.
Alpo,If you are buying parts, and putting them together to make a "short barreled rifle", then you don't use a Form 4 (which is for "tranferring" an NFA item), but instead use a Form 1 (which is for "MAKEING a firearm". http://www.titleii.com/Forms.htm
Along with the Form 1 (of which you need to send two copies), you need to send two sets of fingerprints (on ATF fingerprint cards, not your local police department's cards) and two passport-type photographs, because you are making TWO originals. ATF keeps one original, and they send you back the other original. Weird. You also send a Certificate of Compliance. I send two, since I send two of everything else, but I don't know if two are required. So you send in your forms, and you send in your two hundred dollars, and you wait. They seem to have gotten better. I hear the turnaround is a matter of weeks now, instead of months.
If you have your parts kit, DO NOT BUY THE RECEIVER until you get your paperwork back. If you have the receiver, DO NOT BUY THE PARTS KIT until you get the paperwork back. Having the parts kit and the receiver, without having the paperwork means you have an UNREGISTERED NFA ITEM. Bad juju.
When you get your paperwork back, take it and make several copies. Then take the original and put it someplace secure. Your gunsafe, or maybe your safety deposit box at the bank. Carry one of the copies with you whenever you have the gun, not the original. If you lose or damage the copy, you can always make another copy. If you lose your original, you are screwed. Right back to having that unregistered NFA item. Yes, ATF has a copy, but they seem to lose them every now and then.
>Also the receiver is a stamped receiver so it wont have any numbers on it. It will also need to be completer to be considered a receiver. So would I still need to register it?<
If there are no serial numbers on the receiver, you will have to issue it numbers, so that the ATF will be able to prove that the SBR you have in your hand is, in fact, the SBR you have paper for. You will also have to mark it with your name and town, since you are the maker of the gun.
Would that procedure also apply if I wanted to manufacture a full-auto? For example, say I buy an AK receiver flat and a parts kit, but not the FCG. Could I send the paperwork and $200 to ATF, get the tax stamp back, they buy the full-auto FCG and assemble the rifle, stamping my own serial number and my name and hometown on it as the manufacturer?
Ah ok, that's what I thought. Thanks.No.
The only machine guns legal for individual ownership in the United States are those that were legally owned by an individual in the United States on some particular date (May something, maybe... I can't remember right now) in 1986. New ones CANNOT be legally manufactured for an individual.
also, would you be able to shoot that at the local target range or would you have to go someplace special?
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Lots of ranges will not let you shoot a class 3 weapon. I quit an outdoor gun club that I belonged to because they would not let me shoot my subguns. I always have a photo copy of my permit that I keep with the guns. I keep the original in a safety deposit box. If you get a class 3 weapon, I would recommend keeping a copy of your permit with the gun. I had to show mine once to some cops that came up when I was shooting. It would have been a real hassle if I didn't have the copy with me.