Maryland to use sniper tips to hunt for guns

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    warpig883
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    Sniper tips to aid hunt for firearms
    By Arlo Wagner and Matthew Cella
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    Montgomery County police said yesterday that they will use tens of thousands of tips from the October sniper hunt to track down those who violate Maryland gun laws.

    "Our goal is to reduce illegal firearm possessions and violent crimes," said Capt. Nancy Demme, spokeswoman for the Montgomery County Police Department. She also said the intensive crackdown would begin in the county in a few weeks.
    The mission will be carried out by a task force of county and state police officers, as well as federal agents of the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
    Police authorities said many of the nearly 100,000 tips and the names of tipsters and offenders were set aside during the sniper investigation because it was clear they did not pertain to the shooter or shooters, who were using a rifle.
    "If, for instance, someone called to say, 'The guy next door has a couple handguns,' that did not apply," explained Michael Bouchard, special agent in charge of the ATF office in Baltimore.
    Though police say the tips could help solve cases and get illegal guns off the street, gun groups are uneasy about such a task force using information often submitted by neighbors.
    "I just plain don't like it," said Robert Culver, co-chairman of Montgomery Citizens for a Safer Maryland, a Montgomery County-based gun-advocacy group.
    Mr. Culver said the task force could go overboard while investigating gun owners, relying on "rumors" or fraudulent or misguided tips.
    The sniper hunt ended Oct. 25 at an Interstate 70 rest stop near Myersville, Md., with the arrest of John Allen Muhammad, 42, and John Lee Malvo, 17. They are in Virginia jails awaiting capital-offense trials.
    Six of the 10 sniper slayings occurred in Montgomery County. The first took place Oct. 2, with four more occurring in the county the next day, causing thousands of Maryland, Washington and Virginia residents to call a special tip-line telephone number with information about suspects and dubious circumstances.
    "We are still getting a lot of tips as a result," Mr. Bouchard said, and those tips are being examined for possible violations of Maryland and D.C. gun laws.
    Though the task force will focus on handgun owners convicted of violent felonies, Mr. Bouchard acknowledged that some tips already have led to persons who had no idea they owned guns illegally.
    "We are not looking to take away any guns or ammunition that are legally possessed," he said.
    Still, advocacy groups remain concerned.
    A Web site for Maryland gun owners, www.direct-action.org, stated in an October article that the sniper shootings could lead to a "wanton politicizing of a crisis, leading to apparently unconstrained police activity."
    The site offered advice to gun owners interviewed by authorities based on tips.
    Gun advocates portray the crackdown as evidence of continuing hostility toward gun owners by county officials.
    In 2001, the county failed in an attempt to ban gun shows at the Montgomery County Agricultural Center in Gaithersburg. When Silverado Promotions, the show's promoter, challenged the ban, a federal judge ruled that the Montgomery County Council broke the law when it tried to withhold county money to support the event.
    The ruling is being appealed. In the interim, Silverado Promotions is holding a gun show at the Gaithersburg agricultural center this weekend.
    Other jurisdictions are also following on tips received during the sniper shootings.
    "We have detectives working on tips but we do not have a special task force," Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Cheryl Farrell said.
    Prince George's County police are responding similarly. Capt. Andy Ellis, a department spokesman, said investigators are checking tips that might help solve other crimes or reveal new crimes.
    Still, Virginia police officials in the commonwealth will work much differently on this issue compared with Montgomery or Prince George's counties because Maryland gun laws are "far more restrictive," said John Ritter, an Arlington County police detective.

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    Capt. Andy Ellis, a department spokesman, said investigators are checking tips that might help solve other crimes or reveal new crimes.
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    Definitely a further erosion of our ever dwindling rights..
    "Life is not:easy, fair or cheap... sometimes bad things happen to good people"


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    HORSE PUCKY!

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    505799
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    I live in the DC area and during this period I was more worried about what the police were doing than I was about getting shot by the sniper. For example, police were stopping cars and getting permission to search them by the simple expedient of pointing a gun at the driver. A co-worker who is the spouse of a cop was one of those who had that experience. Scarred her half to death.

    That the Maryland police are now using the tips they received and other information they got their grubby little paws on (like the FBI database) to crack down on guns (illegal and legal) doesn't suprise me a bit.

    But then again, people who own guns or want to own guns are potential criminals, right? And if they aren't potential criminals, they shouldn't mind proving that they aren't potential criminals, right?


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    1952Sniper
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    I knew this was going to happen sooner or later. Not only in the area of the sniper shootings, but eventually all across the nation. Our government, from the federal to state to local level, is supportive of the "rat on your neighbor" program.

    I also lay blame with Ashcroft and Bush for starting this program of domestic spying. You know the program I'm talking about, where they are recruiting utility workers and postal employees to "keep an eye out" for terrorists. IMHO that's an open license to invade peoples' privacy.

    The really sad part of this whole thing is that lots of legal gun owners are now going to be harrassed by the Maryland authorities, simply because one of their back-stabbing neighbors called to inform the police that he owns a rifle. It makes me sick to think that our country has come to this.

    Some members here keep spouting about how we're the greatest nation on earth and that we should be happy to be Americans. I agree, in part. We probably still are the greatest nation. But we have to FIGHT to keep it that way. We have to stop letting injustices like this happen to loyal, patriotic, law-abiding citizens.

    Man, I've only had one cup of coffee and already I'm getting too political. Sorry.
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    kdub01
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    A local TV station had a program on last night where they obtained the list of all known felons in Arizona, then crosschecked their names with the Game & Fish to see how many had hunting license. Several "do-good" organizations are now using this as a rallying point to get the guns out of the hands of "criminals".

    The G&F supervisor rightly pointed out that anyone can buy the license - it DOESN'T give you the right to own a firearm to hunt with. Didn't seem to register with the newscasters or the do-gooders - they presented this as a license to carry and use firearms illegally. Suppose the next step will be to station police at the gun range entrances to shake people down for their firearms.

    Guess you're right - the anti's and the police agencies will use any and all means to ferret out gunowners.
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    505799
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    (1/4/03 4:45:47 pm)
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    I was home over the holidays and was in the master bedroom when I heard the gate that is right outside the window groan its way open. Having had a recent experience with daylight burglary in my neighborhood (three houses away... cleaned them OUT), I figured I'd best investigate.... So, trusty hi-cap pistol in hand (hey, at least it wasn't the shotgun) I wander out to find out who has decided to enter my property without permission and...

    Find this FNG meter reader looking for the electric meter.

    He was pretty cool with it all, commenting "Hey, beats having you let a Doberman out."
     
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