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  1. mike45

    mike45 New Member

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    Recieved Iver Johnson 38 s&w ser# D6585L owls facing toward barrel.
    1 How old is it.
    2Can I use 38 s&w or is it black powder
     
  2. Old Gun Guy

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    Are you sure the last digit in the serial # is an "L"?
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    iver johnson used the D letter code on safety automatic hammerless revolver only; second model between 1896 and 1902 and third models between 1909 and 1932. what type of hammer spring does it have single flat leaf or coil?

    the last digit is most likely a badly stamped 1.
    bill
     
  4. mike45

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    Bill,
    It has a leaf spring under the hand gripes ,I guess it could be a 1. With the gun I got a handful of Western 38s&w cartriges .
     
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    this is a second model (1896-1908) the exact date of manufacture can only be determined with a description of the patent date marking and where they are found. check the top of the barrel, the left side of the barrel or the bottom of the butt.

    if the ammo you recieved is most likely smokeless (unless marked black powder) so do not fire any more of them in this revolver.
    bill
     
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    dates on the top are,apr6,86-feb15,87-may10,87-mar13,88-aug25,96. nothing on sides.
    Thanks for info.
    Mike
     
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    these patent dates and the serial number D65851 indicates this second model was manufactured in 1901, when approx. 33,000 of the large frame hammerless models were manufactured.

    SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMERLESS REVOLVER
    (Black Powder Cartridges)------------- -–1896-1908
    LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, Hammer the Hammer action, nickel finish with blue optional, two frame sizes and three calibers. Hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire with 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ½ ounces, .32 centerfire 13 ½ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17 ¾ ounces; Height: small frame 3 ¾ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall all length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
    VALUE: 100%=$285 60%=$150
    For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%

    bill
     
  8. mike45

    mike45 New Member

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    Thanks for all the info.
    Mike
     
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    Took it to a gunsmith ,recomend it be only a house gun .Said it would (spit lead) when fired.Maybe i'll shoot a couple rounds at the range.
     
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