Montana attitude

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Marlin T, May 1, 2009.

  1. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    I wonder if it is time to go back to my home state yet?:D Sounds better all the time.

    Montana lawmakers have it right with new statute on self-defense

    April 30, 1:25 PM · 3 comments

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    Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer this week signed into law a new self-defense statute that will “steal the thunder” from gun prohibitionists who invariably whine that armed citizens might “take the law into their own hands.”
    The new statute squarely puts the law in the hands of the citizens, by plainly stating they have no duty to retreat if attacked in a place where they have a right to be. The law also allows armed citizens to use force or threaten the use of force when he or she reasonably believes an attack is about to occur, or to stop an attack already in progress.
    There is also a section on citizen’s arrest, and one that codifies the legality of open carry.
    It is a gun prohibitionist’s nightmare, but for the armed Montana citizen – or anybody visiting the Big Sky Country – it may just be the best news they’ve had this year.

    Any person who is not otherwise prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another person the fact that the person has a weapon.
    Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association (MSSA) sent an e-mail the other day that applauded several people, including NRA's Brian Judy, but criticized others. In particular, he leveled his remarks against “the few law enforcement administrators and prosecutors who are so afraid of armed citizens that they lied and claimed end-of-life-on-Earth in opposing HB 228.”
    “You need to work locally to replace these people,” Marbut observed. “They just don’t have a Montana attitude.”
    And what is the “Montana attitude?”
    It has to do with not being robbed, raped, beaten, burglarized or murdered. While these things may be an “acceptable risk” in other parts of the country, where people like Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn orders his cops to confront and disarm law-abiding citizens who are open-carrying for their protection (because Wisconsin has no concealed carry law), they do not stand too well in the West.
    Washington remains part of the West as well. Here, the State Supreme Court has already held that “the law is well settled that there is no duty to retreat when a person is assaulted in a place where he or she has a right to be.”
    Washington statutes on the use of force, including lethal force, have been in effect for several years, and they are solid.
    Likewise in Montana, where under the new statute, a person does not even have to call the police for help before acting in self-defense.
    Under Section 2 of the new Montana statute:
    (1) Any person who is not otherwise prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another person the fact that the person has a weapon.
    (2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing or presenting a weapon.
    (3) This section does not limit the authority of the board of regents or other postsecondary institutions to regulate the carrying of weapons, as defined in 45-8-361(5)(b), on their campuses.
    In the section dealing with citizen’s arrest, “A private person may arrest another when there is probable cause to believe that the person is committing or has committed an offense and the existing circumstances require the person’s immediate arrest. The private person may use reasonable force to detain the arrested person.”
    It appears Montana just got a whole lot safer.

    On the other hand, disgraced former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer certainly wins an award for brass gonads for his recent piece on headlined Gun Control without Gun Laws: How Obama can used government procurement regulations to limit gun violence.
    Spitzer is something of an authority on “procurement,” but it would be nice if he would not try to restore his tarnished image by taking on the gun issue, and it would be doubly nice if someone would tell this sleaze that guns and hookers aren’t exactly the same thing.
    Eliot asks, “Why do we buy guns from companies that permit their products to be sold to bad guys?”
    Well, riddle me this, Spitzer: “Why do arrogant politicians buy sex from women who sell it to other people as well?”
    Spitzer argues that “Governors and mayors and federal officials should buy guns from only manufacturers that control their product distribution, from manufacturers that cut off dealers whose guns end up disproportionately in the hands of criminals.”

    Just as we now "purchase" good corporate behavior in the financial industry, let it be so with guns.
    Frankly, Eliot, those same standards ought to apply to high-rent call girls, don’t you agree?
    But here’s the proposition (no pun intended…well, maybe) that should convince anyone that Spitzer has lost his marbles: “If government cannot legislate the conduct it wants, then it can use market power to buy it.”
    Eliot, Eliot, Eliot; you of all people should realize that government has never been able to legislate good conduct, and when it comes to using market power to purchase a specific type of conduct, your starting offer is, what was that again, $1,000 a night?
  2. bcj1755

    bcj1755 New Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    A wretched hive of scum and villiany
    I think I need to make a roadtrip and check out Montana.;):D

  3. ARB

    ARB New Member

    Jan 23, 2009
    Mid Missouri
    My wife mentioned moving to Montana recently. That certainly sweetens the pot.
  4. glocknut

    glocknut Active Member

    Dec 14, 2003
    I drove thu it once when i was young. The man thing i remember was the Moose trying to have s*x with the car.... I was ready to trad for a different vehicle afterwards! :rolleyes:

  5. jpmccr

    jpmccr Member

    Feb 5, 2007
    NJ (really don't know why?)
    Home town of Bozeman. Haven't been back since my father passed in 2006. I loved the mountains and the snow but there is no place really to work unless you are in real estate or have a business. Part of me misses it. . . .:(
  6. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

    Sep 11, 2002
    Colorado Rocky Mountains
    Sounding better and better all the time.