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I am German and proud of it.
No first Amend. rights if you are not inagreement.
You have no rights while on this on any other forum. This place is as good private property. You or any of your post can be deleted at any time for no particular reason.

You state that you are a proud German, well move back to Germany and go see for yourself the death camps. Then talk like you are talking now and you will find yourself in jail.

I never thought that I would ever meet anyone that would deny such a thing. I thought it was only the stuff that you heard about on the news. While denying the holocaust is not a legal crime in the US, it sure is a moral crime in my eyes. Your 'speech' is bordering on hate speech Green.

I would like to see this thread continue, because you have made inplanotx mad an I am benifiting with a history lesson.
 

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I would like to see this thread continue, because you have made inplanotx mad an I am benifiting with a history lesson.
Well, the real historians are PS and PS. :confused: :D :D Polishshooter and PistolShooter. I know enough to be dangerous and what I do not know, I look up. Seems there are 62+ million hits on google about the Holocaust data and about 62+ thousand about the hoax. Seems that a whole 1% of this world that thinks it was a hoax. Makes ya feel kind of small don't it Green? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

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3-What was the world jewish population in 1935 and 1955 according to the 'world jewish almanac?'
When you do searches and read drivel that you espose, please get your facts right at least, there is NO World Jewish Almanac; there is a World Almanac with the figures showing between 1939 and 1947 of a drop of some 4.4 million Jews from the population. However you jump in and say "it's only 4.4 milliion, not the 6 million the Jews claim!!!!!!! What you are forgetting are the Poles, Czechs, Gypsies and other political foes the Nazi's murdered! Chew on that over the weekend. Maybe you can spend yours looking up those missing facts you spew! See ya Monday! ;) ;)
 

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"#1 - Where are there documents showing they got paid and who paid them?

#2 - Not all bodies were cremated, most were buried in mass graves, this is documented with Nazi documentary films and files.

#3 - You tell us!

#4 - I believe the Nazi documents they left behind and the films they made proving it.

#5 - To which are you referring? Armenians, Serbian....WHICH ONE?????"

#1- Paper money of the world part 1: Modern issues of Europe by Arnold Keller,Ph.D., 1956 pp.23-25. In addition to money, why would they tattoo people they knew they were going to exterminate? And have a hospital for the inmates at places like auschwitz?

#2- Ancwer the question

#3- 1938-15,748,091 / 1948- 15,763,638. The world Almanac instead.

#4- Pictures of dead people from typhus and other war related causes is not proof. Torture (git-mo) etc. is not a reliable source of info.

#5- Take your pic through out history. Again,ancwer the question.

Marlin t. Again, Why is it illegal to talk or debate the 'holocaust' in Germany and some other countries? With all the indisputable "proof" it should be a no brainer. What is there to fear? And "hate speech"? You sound like some of those lousey politicians on Capitol Hill! The thought police. It is You who should move out. Go live in one of those counties where only some people are allowed to 'think and the rest better not let you know!
 

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Laws against Holocaust denial

Holocaust denial is illegal in ten European countries: Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947),Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law, the Czech Republic under section 261, France (Loi Gayssot), Germany (§ 130 (3) of the penal code) also the Auschwitzlüge law section 185, Israel Law 5710-1950, Lithuania, Portugal Article 240 (2) thrown out at the same time as Spanish law, Romania, Slovakia, Spain (article 607) though this is now suspended as tribunal investigating the law’s validity found it was a clear insult to civil rights and Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code).
The following punishments are used with regards to Holocaust Denial Laws: Austria (min: six months, max: twenty years (violent), ten years (non-violent)), Belgium (min: fine, max: one year), Czech Republic (min: six months, max: two years), France (min: fine/one month, max: two years), Germany (min: fine/six months max: five years), Israel (min: one year, max: five years), Lithuania (min: fine/two years, max: ten years (violent), Poland (min: fine/three months, max: three years), Romania (min: six months, max: three years (public offender), five years (public servant offender), Slovakia (min: fine/one month, max: three years) and Switzerland (min: fine/one year, max: fifteen months).
Many of these countries also have broader laws against libel or inciting racial hatred, as do a number of countries that do not specifically have laws against Holocaust denial, such as Canada and the United Kingdom. The Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cyber Crime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an article 6 titled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity, though this does not have the status of law.
Of the countries that ban Holocaust denial, many of these also ban other elements associated with Nazism, such as Nazi symbols. Additionally, scholars have pointed out that countries that specifically ban Holocaust denial generally have legal systems that limit speech in other ways, such as banning hate speech. In the words of D. Guttenplan, this is a split between the "common law countries of the US, Britain, and former British colonies from the civil law countries of continental Europe. In civil law countries the law is generally more proscriptive. Also under the civil law regime the judge acts more as an inquisitor, gathering and presenting evidence as well as interpreting it"[46]
Many Holocaust deniers claim their work falls under a "universal right to free speech", and see these laws as a confirmation of their own beliefs, arguing that the truth does not need to be legally enforced. Some people who do not deny that the Holocaust occurred nevertheless oppose such restrictions of free speech, including, despite her legal battle with David Irving, Deborah Lipstadt. Another prominent opponent of the laws is Noam Chomsky. An uproar resulted when Serge Thion used one of Chomsky's essays without explicit permission as a foreword to a book of Holocaust denial essays. See: Criticism of Noam Chomsky. At times, Holocaust deniers seek to rely on Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees freedom of expression, when faced with criminal sanctions against their statements or publications. The European Court of Human Rights however consistently declares their complaints inadmissible. According to Article 17 of the Convention, nothing in the Convention may be construed so as to justify acts that are aimed at destroying any of the very rights and freedoms contained therein. Invoking free speech to propagate denial of crimes against humanity is, according to the Court's case-law, contrary to the spirit in which the Convention was adopted in the first place. Reliance on free speech in such cases would thus constitute an abuse of a fundamental right.
 

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Come on now mr t. Getting to the truth seems not to be your agenda. We do live in America, and as much as it seems to be to your "moral" displeasure, we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. That above post of yours is,well.....You know. Pack your bags. But before you do,ancwer the questions.
 

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There is an impression that the Nazis were an unusual evil in an otherwise good world. History says the opposite. The Roman Emporors, the Huns, The Assyrians, Babylonians, and just about every empire that has ever existed has been no better. The Soviet Union did hundreds of time worse than the Nazis ever did. Too many people speak as though they themselve would never do such a thing but between the Allied Strategic Bombing campaign where millions of civilian non combatants were wiped out by the tens and even hunreds of thousands at a time to the Morgenthahl plan which called for the Allies to continue running the Nazi death camps and process the German people the same way the Nazis processed the Jews, As God says "There are none rightious! Not a one!"

The more we uncover about FDR, the more we learn that he tried to become like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini. Only in our case, the COnstitutional system of cheks and ballances held. The Nazi death camps started aout as inncently as we started up Gitmo. Weather or not Gitmo ends up taking its place beside Auchwitz reamins to be seen. The evil the nazis did lies witin all of us. If there is anything to learn from what happend in Germany in the 1930's is how innocent and right all of these things start out to be and how they can evolve into something we never could have imagined. How much power would we be willing to sign over to the governemnt when uneployment exceeds 65% and inflation is over 10,000%?
 

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"The Roman Emporors, the Huns, The Assyrians, Babylonians, and just about every empire that has ever existed has been no better. The Soviet Union did hundreds of time worse than the Nazis ever did. "

You could have added the 'state of israel' to that list Bernie 109.
And you are so correct about fdr.One heck of a ego trip he was on. Yalta was one big sell out for the free world. (not to mention Pearl Harbor)
 

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Now you are amking your anti Semetic colors evident. Ultimately, God is in control. Nothing happens without God's permission and for his purpose. One Theologian preached that it was destined for the nation of Isreal to be reborn. (The Book of Revielation says so). The British allowed the Jews to return to Palistine after WW1 but the Jews became too comfrtable in Europe. The theory goes that God allowed Hitler to rise up for the sole purpose to drive the Jews back to the promised land. My theory is that it is not accident that every empire since Rome has been a Christian based one. And that it is also no accident that these empires were at the hieght of their opostasy when they fell. God has also fiven these fallen Empires a soft landing when they fell from power. Niether Italy (Rome), Spain, France, and England were completely wiped out but allowed a soft landing from their pinacle of power. While God allowed the Germans to do thier evil to achieve his means, Berlin, Dresdyn, Colonge, and other devastations upon Germany in WW2 was Gods punishment upon the Germans for their deeds. It is my theory that Germany was spared total anialation because Germany is the Cradle of the Protestant reformation (Another "Soft landing?")

Which brings up to Isreal. In the words of a Conservative jewish radio talk show host. "The Isreal of today is not a Jewish state but a socialist state! Founded by Socialist, run by Socialists! The truth is that if Moses were in charge of Isreal today, he would wind up executing half the population!"

Isreal can blame their current problems on their current state of disobedience. While I will not hesitate to rebuke Isreal, there is no way I will join the world in cursing them! The land promised to Abraham includes not only the West Bank & Gaza but ALL of Lebanon and Jordan, and a good chunk of Syria. ALL of this land WILL be restored unto Isreal. But it will be done on Gods time, in Gods way, and it will not be the secualr socialist state we know as Isreal today. Todays Isreal is trying to achieve this on thier effort, their timetable, with American wonder weapons.
In this current conflict, I have little sympathy for Hizbollah. They launch 1000+ rockets into Isreal and cry about getting a full scale air strike in return. Hizbollah deserves no more sympathy than a rapist who crys about getting the wrong end of a Lady Smith.
 

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Nothing in this world makes me SO mad as a "Holocaust Revisionist," and makes me REALLY want to go shoot something or somebody. Not even a "Hitler Defender" riles me more.

Nothing proves a man to be more ignorant or of Evil Intent. And not ONLY of History.

Anyone who can deny the "Holocaust" existed despite almost MORE iorrefutable historical proof and documentation than perhaps ANY SINGLE EVENT IN HISTORY can really deny ANYTHING. Like maybe the world being ROUND???????


You other guys are doing a FINE job. Keep it up. You don't need a History Degree to argue this one.....
 
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Nothing in this world makes me SO mad as a "Holocaust Revisionist," and makes me REALLY want to go shoot something or somebody. Not even a "Hitler Defender" riles me more.

Nothing proves a man to be more ignorant. And not ONLY of History.

Anyone who can deny the "Holocaust" existed despite almost MORE iorrefutable historical proof and documentation than perhaps ANY SINGLE EVENT IN HISTORY can really deny ANYTHING. Like maybe the world being ROUND???????


You other guys are doing a FINE job. Keep it up. You don't need a History Degree to argue this one.....
Exactly so, Polish, and well said. Moreover, denial of the Holocaust as a historically veracious and supremely well-documented event smacks of the very thing World War II--with its terrible sacrifice of over 50 million lives and the misery of untolled millions more--was fought to destroy--that insidious and malignant thing called National Socialism.
 

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The Nazis are dead and gone. As we dig them up and pump more bullets into them, Stalin killed 10 times as many people as Hitler did. Many of them were Jews who were liberated from German camps and forced into Gulags by us at bayonet point. Mao Killed another 20 million or so, the body count is still not done. Pol Pot killed another 3 million. While everybodu focuses on the Nazis, oter more recent empires are doing the same thing.
 

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I have a neighbor who was with the airborne on D Day, fought in Bastogne, and was one of the troops to see first hand what those camps were like. He still cries when discussing it, something he prefers not to do.
 
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I have a neighbor who was with the airborne on D Day, fought in Bastogne, and was one of the troops to see first hand what those camps were like. He still cries when discussing it, something he prefers not to do.
I've often enountered the same response when talking with death camp liberators, John, and even an stronger emotional respons when talking with those who managed, somehow, to survive those camps.
 

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Genocide has happened in every corner of the world. What the Nazis did was turn it into an industrial operation. I'm not anti-semetic in the least, but they, too, have blood on their hands.
Anyone who can actually say there was no Holocaust is deluding themselves. The films of bodies stacked like cordwood, the bulldozer pushing hundreds into burial pits are only part of the documented proof. Then,too, there were the liberators of the camps, the survivors, and a lot of other eye witnesses. There was indeed a "Holocaust."
The actual truth about Hitler is until he attacked Poland he was considered the savior of Germany. He re-built their National pride, put people to work. He did everything he promised. But down deep, he was a Nut Job who believed that he was sent by "Providence" to set the world straight. No, no tears for Adolf. TJ
 

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I will not attempt to exorcise the part played by the German people in supporting Hitler during WWII. Let me merely remind those of you who have contributed so eloquently to this discussion that Hitler made it unlawful for any civilian, especially Jews, to own firearms. Therefore it was virtually impossible for the German people to overthrow the Nazi's or defend themselves from related military henchmen of Hitler. I'm not saying that it would or could have made a difference, rather I simply point out that we should never let a liberal majority or a silver-tongued messiah redefine or restrict our Constitutional 2nd Amendment rights. We should never mistake the true meaning and implications our founding father's wrote with regards to a tyrannical government and our duty to alter or abolish it. As mighty as the ballot box is, the right to keep and bear arms gives us the power to be in the right.

As to Green, he is extremely fortunate to live in a country that will defend to the death his right to his opinion. I can only hope that someone who knows him personally will read his rantings and help him get the professional help he so sorely needs. Engaging him in intelligent discourse serves only to embarrass him further.
 

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Hitler? Well if there was never a Hitler, we probably wouldnt have a very interesting Military Channel today. :D:D:D
 
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