No name H&R Victor

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  1. 1775usmarine

    1775usmarine New Member

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    On a closed thread I read about H&R producing some no namers. I have a 38 S&W 2.5in round barrel all blued with non wrap around grips and serial number of 49154. Anyone have any more info or know where to look to find out more about this. I paid 50 bucks and everything functions fine. I did have 2 gunsmiths say it was good to go for center fire but I'm still not sure unless this is a frankengun.
     
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    It also looks like it could be a no name victor as the cylinder is unfluted. I'm driving myself nuts with no solid information out there.
     

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    Well I bought some 38S&W about a week after the original post. It functions just fine both single action and double action. I'm still clueless as to any information on this. I am fond of the 38S&W and am looking for a decent S&W model 33, British service revolver or 38 Regulation Police so I can start reloading this round.
     
  4. 45Auto

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    H&R made up a bunch of these revolvers without names on them, maybe in the 1920's. They used two frame types, the older "American Double Action" frame and the Model 1904 frame. It seems they used what was at hand at the time. All of them have the Victor type of cylinder and a round barrel. The one in my little collection has a 4 1/2 " barrel.
    These revolvers are at least uncommon if not rare. I communicated with the late Bill Goforth and other H&R experts awhile back. Unfortunately, the unmarked Victors and many other variations did not make it into the H&R book given the untimely death of Bill Goforth.
     
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    I appreciate the info. A guy tried to convince me this wasn't an H&R after I bought it and went around to get opinions on to its safe ability to fire. I made sure to do some research before I went to buy, as the guy I bought from had no idea what model it could be. I let the guy believe what he wanted and left his place when I realized he had that I'm better than you attitude.


    Next to my wife's find of a Marlin 80DL with original peep sight, one mag , and in great shape for $100 at an auction this H&R makes me happy every time I pull it out of the safe to look at and fire. For $50 bucks and at a conservative 75-85% I think I did pretty good. I know these two firearms will be kept for a long time as they both have a story.

    Now is it ok to take out the cylinder load your rounds and put back in placing the round that should be even with the loading gate partially over the edge preventing that round from falling out when tilting back? I figured that was how people would carry them without losing that round, but wasn't sure about firing if the timing would be off by loading the way I did. Here are some pics for clarity. 20170326_001624.jpg 20170326_001638.jpg
     
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    Looks like a genuine Saturday Night Special to me.
     
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    Is that your cheaper then dirt magazine ad? you might want to re do the pictures and can the photos above if they have your name, address and customer number information on them. Anyone can look at this website as a guest. I'm just trying to look out for you so you can protect your identity.
     
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    thats what I was going to say as well.
    cant be too careful
     
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    Got that from where I work. When I took the photos just put the firearm down and took it where it laid. Here is my no name victor 38 S&W again. 20170326_164443.jpg 20170326_164452.jpg 20170326_164507.jpg
     
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    I've never seen an unmarked Victor before. I wonder how that one made it out unmarked. Very unusual.
     
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    The only marking is where it states its a 38 S&W on the left side of barrel. Plus the serial number on butt.
     
  12. 45Auto

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    Getting back to 1775usmarine's question about loading and safety. I have fired several of my H&R solid frame revolvers with modern 38 S&W factory loads without issue. I agree that resting the firing pin between rounds in the cylinder is the safest way to carry this type of revolver loaded.

    From my prior research I think you have an excellent example of a rare revolver. According to what I was told by the former historian of H&R and by Bill Goforth, there revolvers were left blank so they could be marked with whatever name a wholesale customer might want. However, whatever the project/contract was it never materialized and so the revolvers were never marked at all. As to value, $50.00 was a great price for any H&R solid frame in such great condition. Although rare, it's not extremely valuable. Maybe add $100 to the price of an ordinary blued Victor; However, the price could go up higher at auction if there is a bidding war between two advanced H&R collectors who know what it is.
     
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