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Kosh75287

Discussion Starter · 5 mo ago

I keep seeing these and other pistols like them for sale/auction. At one time, I think after the 1968 GCA was inflicted on us, putting a shoulder stock on a pistol was a federal offense, and the firearms with that capability were considered Class III weapons.
Did all of that change, somewhere down the line? If someone like myself, with no license for NFA/Class III weapons, buys one of these, attaches the buttstock to the pistol and fires it, have they committed a federal offense?

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C3Shooter

· #2 · 5 mo ago

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Great big disclaimer- I am NOT a lawyer, and this is not legal advice- OK?
Shoulder stocks and handguns- You are now seeing the BATFE say that the "pistol braces" that have been sold for AK and AR pistols that permit the gun to be shouldered DOES make the gun a SBR, which WILL require it to be registered with them- but there will be a no-cost amnesty period. Going beyond that:

There HAVE been exceptions to that rule in the past.
Exception #1- the Thompson Contender- which can be a rifle or a pistol. depending on how you mix parts. Just DON'T put a shoulder stock and a barrel under 16 inches on the frame at the same time- and yer good.

Exception #2, 3 and 4. The Luger pistol, Browning Hi-Power and the Broomhandle Mauser pistols- that were MADE for a shoulder stock to be mounted, AND when using an original shoulder stock- were somehow exempted from that rule.

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There are a few other cases where the ATF actually had an outbreak of sanity. Normally a rifle must have at least a 16 inch barrel. Winchester made a number of "Trapper" rifles back in the day with 14 inch barrels. They are exempted from the SBR rule BY SERIAL NUMBER as being a collector's item and not a threat to the safety of the free world.

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Kosh75287

Discussion Starter · #3 · 5 mo ago

The pistol that made me ask the question was a Star Modelo B, but it sounds like it falls into the same exemption categories as the Luger, BHP, and Broomhandle.

Thanks for the input, and I'll consult an attorney before I do anything too "adventurous" in this area. You've helped me to know in which direction I should proceed.

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TRAP55

· #4 · 5 mo ago

Star made at least 3 models with shoulder stocks, and all are exempt.

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shootbrownelk

· #5 · 5 mo ago

C3Shooter said:
Great big disclaimer- I am NOT a lawyer, and this is not legal advice- OK?
Shoulder stocks and handguns- You are now seeing the BATFE say that the "pistol braces" that have been sold for AK and AR pistols that permit the gun to be shouldered DOES make the gun a SBR, which WILL require it to be registered with them- but there will be a no-cost amnesty period. Going beyond that:

There HAVE been exceptions to that rule in the past.
Exception #1- the Thompson Contender- which can be a rifle or a pistol. depending on how you mix parts. Just DON'T put a shoulder stock and a barrel under 16 inches on the frame at the same time- and yer good.

Exception #2, 3 and 4. The Luger pistol, Browning Hi-Power and the Broomhandle Mauser pistols- that were MADE for a shoulder stock to be mounted, AND when using an original shoulder stock- were somehow exempted from that rule.
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There are a few other cases where the ATF actually had an outbreak of sanity. Normally a rifle must have at least a 16 inch barrel. Winchester made a number of "Trapper" rifles back in the day with 14 inch barrels. They are exempted from the SBR rule BY SERIAL NUMBER as being a collector's item and not a threat to the safety of the free world.

It's a good thing the BATFE did that too. There are so many armed robberies committed with Winchester lever actions with 14" barrels.

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Zack856

· #6 · 5 mo ago

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C3Shooter

· #7 · 5 mo ago

Curio and Relic List 2018 (atf.gov)

Section III lists firearms that would normally be restricted, and required to be registered as an NFA weapon, but were exempted. Read CAREFULLY- in some cases, the exempted item is ONE specimen listed by serial number.

And Trap is quite right- there ARE guns other than the ones I listed.
Brownelk- I know what you mean. Can only imagine the slaughter and bloodletting that would take place if the Marble Game-Getter was not on the restricted list. Oh, the horror!

I think it must be something in the water in DC that affects the thinking of people there. My single shot .410 Handi-Gun is an NFA firearm, must be registered as an AOW. However, your Judge revolver, which fires multiple .410 shells is not.

'Scuse me- I need to go find some aspirin.

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Dem27

· #8 · 5 mo ago

The only medicine that will help DC crowd is a boot leather suppository. This will cause fatal brain damage because this is where they keep their heads.

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guntha45

· #9 · 5 mo ago

Don't believe for one second that there is such a thing as "common sense gun control". Everyone knows that terrorists and criminals are chomping at the bit to get that Marble's Game Getter .22lr over .44 GG or .410 with 12" barrels and folding stock because they violate 2 ATF regulations, Barrel under 16" with a stock and a shotgun barrel under 18". Obviously a criminal's weapon of choice, especially with a capacity of 2 shots!

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Kosh75287

Discussion Starter · #10 · 5 mo ago

And then, there is THIS:

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TRAP55

· #11 · 5 mo ago

Kosh75287 said:
And then, there is THIS:

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Give them a minute, they'll add that too. The 5th Circuit Court just ruled that the ATF can't make laws, only Congress can, and here we are again.

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zant

· #12 · 5 mo ago

Kosh75287 said:
And then, there is THIS:

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Those have been available for Glocks for 20yrs....it does'nt really attach,it depends on firing to hold in place...Lotta fun on a G18.

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ScrapMetal

· #13 · 5 mo ago

That's the first time I've seen one of those. I can only assume that it's usefulness is questionable as I don't see shooters using them everywhere (or anywhere, really). Am I missing something?

-Ron

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Dem27

· #14 · 4 mo ago

I saw a Ruger Standard auto pistol that had been fitted with a 10/22 barrel. Had neat little forearm and detachable stock, walnut. It was very nicely done and functioned fine. To me it had no point. I always wanted a high quality 22 pistol with detachable stock but never was willing to pay the fee to own one.
The short barreled Game Getters would be excellent trail and camp gun. The 1934 laws against these type guns were nothing more than politicians trying to look like they were doing something against the crime wave in the Depression. History is repeating itself.

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Firedog

· #15 · 4 mo ago

Just listened to this guy, sounds pretty good.

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Icon308

· #16 · 4 mo ago

Kosh75287 said:
Thanks for the input, and I'll consult an attorney before I do anything too "adventurous" in this area. You've helped me to know in which direction I should proceed.

Be sure you pick a Pro Gun attorney and remember, "If it wasn't for attorneys you would never need one".
Lynn

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Kosh75287

Discussion Starter · #17 · 4 mo ago

I already have one. I go shooting with him, frequently.

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Icon308

· #18 · 4 mo ago

I don't know why anyone would want a rifle stock on a pistol. I buy a pistol so I can hide or conceal it and a rifle because it is more accurate.Then you add a stock to a pistol and all you have is a short barreled rifle which is only accurate at short distances.

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Zack856

· #19 · 4 mo ago

Icon308 said:
I don't know why anyone would want a rifle stock on a pistol. I buy a pistol so I can hide or conceal it and a rifle because it is more accurate.Then you add a stock to a pistol and all you have is a short barreled rifle which is only accurate at short distances.

Because they are cool and because you can. Shouldn't need more reason than that.
You mentioned two uses for 2 different firearms. There are hundreds of uses for hundreds of different firearms. There's mousetrap guns and avalanche starter guns just to name a couple weird ones. There are plenty of lawful uses for guns with stocks and sub-16" barrels. Plenty of important factors other than accuracy and concealability.
A rifle is more accurate with .223. With a pcc or .300 blackout there's absolutely nothing gained by going that long. For those calibers, even if you want a no compromise "rifle" for "max accuracy" you would be best off with what would legally be considered a pistol.

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MisterEd

· #20 · 4 mo ago

Icon308 said:
I don't know why anyone would want a rifle stock on a pistol.

Well, the original intent was for specialized military (and possibly LE) applications however other than SBRs, stocks on traditional pistols are not a 'mainstream' item.

Heck, personally I have no interest in a 'modern' SBR but that's just me (and a physique that does not favor anything short - gun wise that is!

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