Thing I've noticed is a lot of them do something absolutely stupid before they ask for help and had they read a manual and learned to make good safe ammo first it never would have happened, well I'd hope it wouldn't have. maybe we make it sound to easy to just work up a load? Actually it is! Had a very close friend, he died in 1995, that had tons of reloading gear and he just start at a max load and call it good! Another time he showed up to hunt with a box of ammo he'd done and first shot he loaded a round and didn't take the shot and pulled the bullet trying to get the action open. After that I did his ammo for him. Read this stuff all the time!