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John Hartley Robertson - POW/MIA 4/27/13‏

This is in from Bill Bell – he’s done an excellent job of putting together information about John Hartley Robertson from a variety of sources. Below is a link to Task Force Omega, Inc’s bio for MSGT Robertson. I think you will find it of interest as well including the map sequence to his loss location.

http://taskforceomegainc.org/r019.html

Faith,

Patty



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:17 AM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@mmx.swatco.com
Subject: POW/MIA 4/27/2013



For the past two days I have received a deluge of emails and telephone calls from people concerning recent reports alleging that a live American named “John Hartley Robertson” has been located residing in Vietnam. Over the years numerous reports with the names of actual unaccounted-for American personnel associated with them have been circulated widely. Most of these reports were obvious fabrications. However, occasionally some such reports did deserve evaluation and analysis. This is especially true when we consider the long-held concept that “the benefit of the doubt always goes to the missing man.” Unfortunately, however, none of these reports have thus far been confirmed. One recent report, correlated by name to an actual unaccounted-for American, MSG John Hartley Robertson, is no exception. Certainly we should check out this apparent fabrication. Even though we have received similar reports over the years and those reports were associated with an individual who was determined not to be an American, or for that matter a citizen of any country other than the SRV. Although we are bound to check out this recent report, we should not squander scarce resources needed to pursue the “Last-Known-Alive” LKA cases. In my opinion this report is simply another example of Vietnamese Communist deception designed to lessen the credibility of other reports considered uncorrelated to any specific individual due either to the paucity of the information contained in the original report or the inability to reach the targeted area without communist cadre controlling and manipulating the investigations in the field. In the past fabricated reports have been used by devious communist strategists who debunked such infirm reports in order to publicly gain credit for “outstanding, superb cooperation” from challenged American officials being lectured in Hanoi while groveling before communist officials.



In 1991, reports of three alleged American POW’s held west of Danang were circulating throughout Southeast Asia. American politicians, especially Senator John Kerry, at that time the Chair of the Senate Select Committee (SSC) on POW/MIA Affairs, placed considerable priority on investigating vague, sketchy reports of three alleged live Americans dubbed “the three Amigos” being held west of Danang. I was the lead investigator for this particular case. At the same time, the SSC caused us to sidestep other reports associated with Last-Known-Alive (LKA) Americans whose names were included on a list of some 305 remaining high priority cases when the main investigation efforts finally began. Communist political cadre were intent on debunking the reports while giving credit to themselves to facilitate the manipulation of U.S./Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) relations. Although some degree of genuine naiveté might have influenced Kerry at the time, it is more likely that his communist interlocutors had correctly identified and successfully exploited what they correctly perceived to be the collective American character defect of greed. In other words, Kerry was so bent on expanding economic and commercial ties with the SRV that he saw a quick debunking of live sighting reports as political cover sufficient to enable President Clinton to give away our only remaining leverage guaranteeing genuine, objective field investigations. This situation is described in detail in my book “Leave No Man Behind: Bill Bell and the search for American POW/MIAs from the Vietnam War.”



More recently the Vietnamese communists have again resorted to deception. In addition to continuing to spread vague reports of live Americans they have embarked on a “catch and release” program whereby citizens of the SRV opposing the communist one-party rule are arrested and their families threatened. When word is received in the United States concerning the arrest and detention of political dissidents the clamor for the release of those arrested begins. When U.S. officials prepare to depart for meetings in Hanoi the release of those arrested is included as talking point. Since the communists have already decided to not make any concessions concerning democracy, human rights and POW/MIA, release of at least some of the activists being held is the only concession the communists ultimately are willing to make. In the meantime they continue to charge exorbitant fees for assisting or permitting American personnel to come to the SRV to search for the bones of unaccounted-for Americans.



We should all remember why we went to Vietnam in the first place: to contain communism and bring freedom and democracy to the Vietnamese people. We can still do this if we do not go to sleep at the wheel. We should insure that we take no actions or make no statements that will encourage or inspire our fighting men and women to be come POWs. We must never forget that our objective is to make the other SOB, the enemy, the POW. If our missing men could contact us I am sure they would say “you have already killed or injured a number of fine, young Americans sent on missions to look for our bones. Please do not risk the lives of any more American personnel, especially those who will be loaded like cannon fodder onto dilapidated, Russian-made helicopters with questionable maintenance records and sent off into mountainous terrain in bad weather. You have killed enough already. And please do not let the greedy, sleazy communists extort any more money from American taxpayers by using our bones as bargaining chips. We went to Vietnam for a noble cause, please do not further degrade the sacrifice we made.”



4/27/2013



Bill Bell sends:








1968


5


20


E-8 MSG


John Hartley


Robertson


11G5S


MIA-PFD, helicopter shot down


Laos; CCN, FOB1, YC566710; CH-34 shootdown in Oscar 8, 14k SE of A-102, A Shau


Case #: 1184 Status: DEAD BODY NOT RECOVERED Name: ROBERTSON, JOHN HARTLEY Nationality AMERICAN |Race CAUCASIAN |Blood Chit $ Service ARMY |Sex MALE |Blood type O + Grade E7 |Hair BROWN |Complexion TAN Eyes HAZEL |Weapon # Serial No 24490348 |Height 74 in /1.88 mtrs |Weapon No # Birth date 25 Oct 1936 |Weight 185 lb / 83.8 kg |Duty pos PASSENGER Home State ALABAMA |Religion PROTESTANT |PW Camp $ Site Type: CRASH SITE UTM: 48QYC566710 Lat/Long: 160024N / 1072353E Country: LAOS Military Region: 4 Mission Province: XEKONG (formerly): SARAVANE Mission District: KALUM Mission Date: 20 May 1968 Mission Category: 2 Local Analysis: Near populated area. Folders Passed: Dec 92, Jun 92, Feb 90 Additional Information Obtained: Jul 91 Vessey Case: NO Case type: CRASH SITE Survivability: (5) In the aircraft at the time of the crash Vehicle Type: CH34 Serial: 4512 Crash Type: Enemy action Engine Type: R1820-84C Call Sign: KINGBEE 1 Serial: Year: 53 2 Serial: # = Item has been researched but data cannot be obtained. $ = Item is not applicable to this case. @ or Blank = Data for item is unknown or not available. ON 20 MAY 1968 SFC JOHN H. ROBERTSON, PASSENGER, WAS THE ONLY AMERICAN ABOARD A VIETNAMESE AIR FORCE H34 HELICOPTER (#53-4512) ATTEMPTING TO RESUPPLY A 5TH SPECIAL FORCES GROUP RECONNAISSANCE FORCE WHICH WAS IN HEAVY CONTACT WITH ENEMY FORCES IN LAOS. AS THE HELICOPTER APPROACHED THE TEAM'S LOCATION, IT WAS HIT BY ENEMY GROUND FIRE AND BEGAN LOSING POWER. THE HELICOPTER BURST INTO FLAMES AS IT CRASHED INTO THE TREES VICINITY OF GRID COORDINATES YC 566 610. IT BEGAN BREAKING UP AS IT HIT THE GROUND. SEVERAL HELICOPTERS MADE LOW PASSES OVER THE CRASH SITE BUT NO SIGNS OF SURVIVORS WERE OBSERVED. BECAUSE OF THE ENEMY ACTIVITY IN THE AREA, NO GROUND ELEMENTS WERE ABLE TO REACH THE WRECKAGE. (REF 1 & 2) THIS INDIVIDUAL'S NAME AND IDENTIFYING DATA WERE TURNED OVER TO THE FOUR-PARTY JOINT MILITARY TEAM WITH A REQUEST FOR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE. NO RESPONSE WAS FORTHCOMING. SFC ROBERTSON IS CURRENTLY CARRIED IN THE PRESUMPTIVE STATUS OF DEAD, BODY NOT RECOVERED. REFERENCES: <1> (U) RPT, HQ USARV (AVHAG-C) W/STATEMENTS, 9 JUL 68. <2> (U) RPT, ADJUTANT GENERAL U.S. ARMY, DD DORM 1300, 1 JUN 73. <3> JCRC LNO 090929Z OCT 91. DURING THE 1-2 FEB 90 CONSULTATIVE MEETING, THE JCRC PASSED MAPS ANNOTATED WITH 90 CRASH SITES LOCATED IN XIANGKHOANG, KHAMMOUAN AND SALAVAN PROVINCES. THE LAO ACCEPTED THE MAPS AND AGREED TO STUDY THEM. REFNO 1184 WAS ONE OF THE SITES INVOLVED. CASE NARRATIVE 1184 WAS PASSED TO A GOVERNMENT OF LAO REPRESENTATIVE BY THE DET 3 CDR DURING A 15 DECEMBER 1992 MEETING. DURING THE 14TH ITERARTION FROM 17 JULY TO 12 AUGUST 1991, A MEMBER OF THE QUANG NAM-DA NANG PROVINCE TASK TEAM INTERVIEWED A WITNESS WHO SAID ON 20 MAY 1988 ABOUT 40 HELICOPTERS LANDED IN THE HUONG SON AREA (SOUTH WESTERN THUA THIEN-HUE PROVINCE. HE SAID MILITIA FORCES SHOT DOWN ONE UH1A HELICOPTER. HE CLAIMED COMMUNIST FORCES DISCOVERED TWO DECOMPOSED BODIES ON THE SAME DAY. THE HELICOPTER INCIDENT CORRELATES TO 1184 BY LOCATION, DATE AND GENERAL TYPE OF AIRCRAFT (HELICOPTER). (REF 3)


In a message dated 4/26/2013 10:38:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:

Yes, in this case in particular, as it has been going on for decades and been repeatedly investigated, including with fingerprints at US Embassy in Phnom Penh (FBI report stated not Robertson), the this "missionary" isn't anyone I'd want representing Christianity around the world. Also, we met with the niece after she'd been approached and talked with the producer, Jorgensen who, at this point, must be trying to recover his costs, or something, since they all have been informed it is a fake. The League has had files on this guy for decades, and the niece came to our office, but ran away before her scheduled meeting at DPMO, though did later attend a DPMO-hosted Family Update, I believe in Birmingham, as the family resides in North or South Carolina, I think. In summary, it is a fake, all know it, except the GI Forum, though I told a GI Forum employee when Lacy and I recently ran into her with the VVA National POW/MIA Committee Chairman Richard DeLong at a National Geographic reception prior to the Ernie Brace movie/documentary. We knew it was coming, so refer all to DPMO Public Affairs for further comment, at the address in the copy line. I sent them an alert when it came across my screen earlier today. I hope the serious guys have helped Jessica prepare a statement, but if not, I'd sure advise it. Best to all, Ann



Ann Mills-Griffiths
Chairman of the Board
National League of POW/MIA Families
5673 Columbia Pike, Suite 100
Falls Church, VA 22041
703-465-7432
www.pow-miafamilies.org





http://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...vietnam_veteran_left_behind_for_44_years.html



Interview with Emmy winning fiilmmaker Michael Jorgensen the Canadian writer-director of Unclaimed, an amazing doc at Hot Docs about Vietnam vet Tom Faunce who made an oath to spend the rest of his life helping those in need.

Hot Docs premiere Unclaimed finds a Vietnam veteran left behind for 44 years

Michael Jorgensen’s Unclaimed reveals the amazing story of U.S. soldier John Hartley Robertson, declared dead in 1968.



Interview with Emmy winning fiilmmaker Michael Jorgensen the Canadian writer-director of Unclaimed, an amazing doc at Hot Docs about Vietnam vet Tom Faunce who made an oath to spend the rest of his life helping those in need.



By: Linda Barnard Movies, Published on Thu Apr 25 2013

Green Beret Master Sgt. John Hartley Robertson had forgotten how to speak English over the 44 years since he was left behind in the Vietnam War. But he never forgot that he was a father, husband and an American soldier, born in Alabama, shot down over Laos in a 1968 classified mission.

Had Hollywood told the story of the discovery of a long-forgotten soldier, found miraculously still alive in Vietnam after surviving a horrific helicopter attack and crash, it would have involved a dramatic and dangerous jungle rescue followed by a homecoming parade.



Ten movies that show what happens when people stand up to the state

Instead, in Emmy-winning Edmonton filmmaker Michael Jorgensen’s documentary Unclaimed, we meet a slightly stooped, wiry 76-year-old man living in a remote village in south-central Vietnam who trembles with frustration or pounds his forehead when he is unable to remember his birthday or his American children’s names. He is only able to speak Vietnamese.

Unclaimed has its world premiere at Toronto’s 20th Hot Docs festival on April 30.

Robertson says he was confined to a bamboo cage in the jungle by North Vietnamese captors and, accused of being a CIA spy, was tortured for a year. Confused and badly injured, he was released and married the Vietnamese nurse who helped care for him. He assumed the name of her dead husband. They had children.

Jorgensen believes audiences in America, where “they don’t hold anything higher than service to the country,” will “lose their minds” when Unclaimed screens at the G.I. Film Festival in Washington, D.C., in May. “They’ll come unglued.”

But Jorgensen wanted this Canadian production to screen in his home country first.

The filmmaker came up against enough roadblocks from the military in the making of Unclaimed — especially when it came to contacting Robertson’s family — to be convinced that, as one high-placed government source told him, “It’s not that the Vietnamese won’t let him (Robertson) go; it’s that our government doesn’t want him.”

Unclaimed follows the dramatic quest of Vietnam vet Tom Faunce to prove that the man he was told about while on a 2008 humanitarian mission in Southeast Asia was indeed an Army “brother” who had been listed as killed in action and subsequently forgotten.

Faunce, a soft-spoken man who has suffered crushing loss and turmoil throughout his life, has devoted himself to helping the world’s most desperate people. He was determined to make good on his vow to leave no man behind after serving two years in a war that divided America and made him feel like a pariah when he finally came home.

“Tom went to meet him (Robertson) and was very skeptical, grilled this guy up and down trying to get him to break, to say, ‘Oh, no, I’m just making it up.’ And he was adamant he was that guy,” said Jorgensen, who was in Toronto to help host an invitation-only patrons’ screening of Unclaimed at the Hot Docs Bloor Cinema two weeks ago and sat down for an exclusive interview with the Star.

Robertson’s story seems unbelievable. And Jorgensen was equally skeptical when Faunce contacted him in 2012 about making a doc in the hope it would add muscle to his quest to reunite Robertson with his American family.

Robertson was fingerprinted at a U.S. embassy in 2010. Faunce says he was later told, “There’s not enough proof to prove this is John Hartley Robertson. And I responded, ‘There’s not enough proof to prove he isn’t.’”

Unclaimed makes a compelling case. There is physical proof of Robertson’s birthplace, collected in dramatic fashion onscreen; a tearful meeting in Vietnam with a soldier who was trained by Robertson in 1960 and said he knew him on sight; and a heart-wrenching reunion with his only surviving sister — 80-year-old Jean Robertson-Holly — in Edmonton in December 2012 that left the audience at the Toronto screening wiping away tears.

She had no idea her brother could still be alive.

“Jean says … ‘There’s no question. I was certain it was him in the video, but when I held his head in my hands and looked in his eyes, there was no question that was my brother,’” says Jorgensen.

As for DNA testing, Robertson-Holly has been adamant that it’s not necessary. She knows this man is her brother. Inexplicably, Robertson’s American wife and two children, who initially said they would like to participate in DNA testing, later abruptly declined to be involved, says Jorgensen.

“Somebody suggested to me maybe that’s (because) the daughters don’t want to know if it’s him. It’s kind of like, that was an ugly war. It was a long time ago. We just want it to go away,” says Jorgensen. “I don’t know. What would compel you not to want to know if this person is your biological father?”

Onscreen, Robertson appears fretful and forgetful and clearly suffering from dementia. He has evidence of wounds and likely suffered debilitating brain injuries.

Hugh Tran, a Vietnam-born Edmonton senior police constable, accompanied Jorgensen and Faunce to Vietnam to act as translator. He said Robertson spoke like a Vietnamese native with no trace of an American accent.

“To tell you the truth, after I interviewed him the first time, I was 90 percent sure he is MIA,” said Tran, admitting he had some doubts. “I still didn’t believe . . . until I saw the family reunion.”

Unravelling Robertson’s story was a slow process.

“These memories pop out,” says Jorgensen. “I’ll give you an example that’s not in the movie. The minute he (Robertson) walks in that room in Edmonton, he knows it’s Jean. He says to Henry, her husband, ‘Oh, I remember, you worked in the drugstore.’”

Henry spent 50 years working as a pharmacist.

Jean and Henry suffered severe injuries in a car crash just days after the reunion and are still hospitalized. Earlier, they told Faunce they are determined “to do right by Johnny” and want answers about why he was left in Vietnam. So far, no officials have contacted Jean’s family.

Does Jorgensen believe that the man Faunce found in Vietnam is American soldier John Hartley Robertson?

“It does not matter what I think,” he says. “There’s no doubt in the family.”




As for Robertson, he is back in Vietnam and has no desire to leave, having fulfilled his one wish: to see his American family once more before he dies.

JOHN HARLEY ROBERTSON THIS GUY POSING AS ROBERTSON HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE A FRAUD BY THE FBI. BE AWARE!

THE FORGOTTEN SOLDIER

20 May 68- Robert D. Plato, MSG E-8, Hatchet Force, KIA-RR John Hartley Robertson, SFC E-7, USASF, FOB-1, Phu Bai, Ops 35 and a Vietnamese Pilot, Co-pilot, and door gunner names unknown) SFC Robertson and the Vietnamese, MIA-Presumptive finding of death. (These individuals were on a kingbee helicopter, CH34, 4 miles inside Laos, south of A Shau; on a medical evacuation helicopter and to resupply a recon team and hatchet force in combat with the enemy when the helicopter came under intense enemy fire, smashed into the trees, and caught fire in the A Shau Valley, Laos. SFC Robertson was the Covey rider who supported RT Alabama on 4 May 68).










This info from SGM (R) Billy Waugh, MACVSOG

Sorry that the information concerning John Hartley Robertson (JHR) flying around the net for the past days, has become confusing.

According to persons in the USG, working in Phnom Phen, the Caucasian depicted in the photo has been proven not to be JHR, but to be a French citizen, long time in Cambodia, with a Vietnamese wife, and several children. Proof was produced by a DNA sample, more than one year back.

On receiving a message via email, for a solid contact, from the USG, with this info, who received this from his USG organization in Cambodia, I have become convinced that the brothers Faunce (Joseph and Thomas) are being duped by this Caucasian, whose language is pidgin English and Viet.

I did speak to Joseph Faunce on 25 Feb, prior to his departure / return to Cambodia that very day. These Faunce lads seem thoroughly convinced (that) they have JHR, but those USG personnel on the ground, who have taken DNA from this same man (according to the info I received) are certain this man is a fraud. I wish this was not true; however, it surely seems to be true.

Ex-POW (Mark Smith) in a message I received on 28 Feb and shown below, is convinced this Caucasian male is a fraud, having dealt with him 18 years back.

In talking to Mary Shantag, who, with her husband, operate the [email protected]

in searching out those making false claims, agree with Mark Smith, that his Caucasian male in Cambodia, is attempting to fraud the USG. The USG has completed several actions involved with this man (according to info I have received)

I regret (that) the Faunce brothers, and several other fine American citizens, are taken in by these actions. I surely regret that the real JHR is not alive, for I worked in the same project as did this fine man.

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From: Thomas Faunce <[email protected]>

Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:26 AM

The Forgotten Soldier

I am sitting here at home after a long and tiresome trip to South East Asia. It is very cold here, subzero temperatures, not like the heat I became accustomed to in South East Asia. This trip has been both a great trial and a challenging test. I have been working in Cambodia and the Vietnam border now for a while. We have been putting wells in villages that are in need of good water. This has given us an open door to minister the gospel to those in need. About a year back I was told by the Cambodia Christians and the Vietnamese that there was an American from the Vietnam war that was still living in the highlands of Vietnam. I, like many veterans, have heard similar stories and took this one with a grain of salt. However, by the next trip there was more interest on their part to let me know of this man; so I did acquire who he was and what his name was. I was given the name: "John Hartley Robertson". I came home and checked into this information and found out that this man was shot down in a helicopter on a mission into Lao. I returned alone to Cambodia to see if I could make any contact. I did meet with some individuals who brought me some photos and information. I was not sure of these men, I felt they were middle men using the situation for their own gain. These men had been contacted by the church members because of the information they had in their possession. However, the church had no dealings with them up until this time. I made arrangements for another trip in so that I could meet with John. They told me they could bring him into Cambodia. I agreed and headed back home. My return trip was with my cousin Joe who is from San Antonio, Texas. Joe has gone to many places with me and is a very strong part of the ministry of Frontline Outreach. Joe also was with me on the well projects in this area.

I came into Cambodia a day earlier than Joe and met up with Ratha our friend and interpreter. Joe came in the next day. That same evening we contacted the Vietnamese, they told us we would have to come into Vietnam to meet with John. I was a little discouraged and had a check within my heart about these folks. I felt they were leading us on. The next morning we traveled all the way to the border. When we tried to get into Vietnam we found out we had to go all the way back to Phnom Penh the capital of Cambodia and get our visa. We did not know that they did not give them at the border. To say the least we were discouraged about the delay, however we headed back in hope to get a visa in time and return before ten o'clock evening when the border would close. Our delay seemed to put a damper on the Vietnamese who claimed they had John with them. They told us John and his family who had not been out of the village for many years were getting scared and wanted to return. We encouraged them to wait for us. This situation seemed tense. I felt within that these men were leading us away from where we needed to go. We did make it back to the border before it shut down. It was late evening before we were in Vietnam. The men told us that they had to leave Saigon and go another way, because Johns family was scared. By this time I knew within we were being mislead into something, we did not know. I was a little irate at this time and told our friend the Cambodian pastor that we needed to change direction. While in Vietnam, the pastor found he had a number to reach John's son by cell phone. He called, found out that they were not with the men who had set up the meeting and that they knew nothing of our meeting in Saigon. We realized we were being set up for a rip-off. We decided to head up to the central high lands where the village was, the place in which the American reportedly had been in. The pastor from Cambodia has met with John and knew exactly were we should go. We ended up in a town up in the hills close to the village. By this time it was early morning. We were informed that they were fearful up in the village of any foreigners coming there, so we decided to wait in town for John and his son to come and meet us. It was not long after that a motorcycle pulled up to where we were staying. It was John and his son. The first time he saw us he came up and hugged us and started weeping. They told us before hand that his mind was not right. He could hardly speak any language. I soon found out that this man who in my heart I believe is John Harltey had a real problem mentally. I do not know what happened the day he was shot down, however knowing war, I knew it had to be very traumatic. I found out from his son that he had been this way as long as he remembered. I was told that when he is at ease that his mind worked better, He showed us his gut wound from the day he was shot down. I do not know how he escaped, except that somehow he was found and stayed in some Buddhist sanctuary for a while in Lao. What we gathered is that he had tried to escape back into Vietnam to reach a US military outpost to try and return home. They informed us that he and some other Vietnamese encountered a battle. They were on a river in a boat and again had to escape for their lives. It is at this time how he met his now wife. They have been up in the hills ever since.


We persuaded John to return to Cambodia with us so that we could try and see what we could do to see that he could return to the Untied States. His family was very hesitant to let him go. We found out that two years back he was taken across the border and locked in a room until he was interviewed. They said that his life was in jeopardy by the Vietnamese who took him across if he did not agree to stay. He did escape from them and returned to the hills. I met with his daughter Twee, who was deeply concerned for her father. You could see in her face a fear and sadness of what was ahead for her dad. I thought of my daughters and how they would respond to such an arrangement. John told us over and over he wanted to return to America, that he was an American Soldier. He also pointed to his son and daughter in regard to their safety and possibility of them going with him. Truly this is a man caught in two worlds. They agreed to let John go with us accompanied by his son. When we arrived at the border, Joe and I crossed separately. The Vietnamese and Cambodians crossed at another location in which there's no questions asked for a price. I will not disclose much more details on this, for the sake of those involved. We arrived in Phnom Penh at the hotel we often stay at. I was looking forward to what was ahead, but never expected the disinterest we encountered.

The days we spent with John have been one of joy and sadness. I see in this man a real struggle to find his way out, a prisoner of his own mind and circumstances. We sat and reminisced with him as best as we could, and seen him respond to only things most Americans recognize. He even played tic-tac-toe with Joe. We did go to the embassy with him. On the day we arrived, as he walked down the sidewalk to the entrance, behind Joe and I. Joe happened to turn around and was caught off guard by the sight before him. John stopped and was looking up at the American flag with tears in his eyes and than proceeded to salute the flag in a military fashion. He did not know anyone took notice, but we did, it was a sight to see. In his child like mind he mentioned to us Texas, and San Antonio, a place he seemed to know about. One afternoon he pointed to my hat that is similar to a cowboy style and mentioned Mexico and Indians. There were so many little things, his gestures, his politeness. When there was a woman ready to be seated he would get up and offer his seat. His whistle, his stand, his response to things that were recognizable by any American but not custom at all to the Vietnamese. It is hard to explain on paper how to describe this person. John is close to eighty years old. His oldest son is going to be thirty-five. He too is at least six foot tall, though he has more of the Vietnamese features. His daughter Twee on the other hand is more of the Caucasian side of the family. These must be taken into consideration There is too much at stake to just right this man off. I do not understand how we can, justify not following through on this man. In the military we were taught to leave no one behind, a band of brothers watching out for one another. I do not believe there is a Veteran in this country who would not want to see this followed through on a much greater scale than what has been done. With all this information out, I fear for this mans life.

We were told by our government that there was not enough creditable evidence on this man. They even asked me for some ID from him. I could not understand such a question. I told them he has been an MIA for nearly forty years, where was he supposed to get ID. They had based their decision as far as we know by the interview two years before. You cannot interview a man with dementia and come up with any solid conclusion. However, this is what seems to be the basis of them not following through on this man. I was to say the least shocked by the coldness and lack of interest.

This story is hard to believe and put together, however we have a man who is clearly not of Vietnamese decent lost in a village for all these years, wanting to come out and find out who he really is. He told us by what means he could, that he knows he is John Harltey. Before I came I did contact a fellow soldier and friend of his that did recognize John's photo and said that he was very sure that this man was John. This gave me the encouragement and stamina to press on to find this man. As a Christian and a Veteran I know the importance of the value of one life. I could not just turn away from this because of the difficulties or the lack of evidence. I have been criticized. Some saying I was loosing my perspective. As a Christian in missions the gospel must be first and above all. This I agree with. I cannot help feel that the reaching out to any life is the gospel in action. It is so much more than passing out booklets and bibles, but love in action. How can we turn any one away even at the chance of being foolish to find out the truth?

The frigid cold and Arctic air outside are a reminder of how this all has been handled by our government. As a Vietnam Veteran I find it very hard to accept such apathy in regard to a human life that is very possibly John Hartley Robertson. As I travel this country I have seen the flags, bumper stickers, and signs in remembrance of our POWs, and MIAs. However, it now seems that if one is located that there is not much in remembrance or caring. We will go and dig up the bones at crash sites, but we dare not say one is alive. The Vietnamese government has already stated years back there is no live MIAs. This seems to have closed the books on it. If this is how our government handles such information than truly there are no MIAs, they are all KIAs, because they have already been written off. Regardless of who this man is, there needs to be more than what has been done to prove his identity. More than government officials checking into it, but an independent study from those who have nothing to gain or loose. We spend so much in weapons to take lives why is it we cannot spend just a little to try and save a life of a possible Veteran and by all rights an American hero? We owe all Veterans this right. God help us if we have lost the moral backbone to do the right thing.

By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. (1 John 3:16 NKJV)

In Christ service
T.M. Faunce







Hillman MI 49746




Edward T Mahoney, 234 Deer Drive, Ruckersville, VA 22968-3161, [H] 1-434-985-1918, [Cell] 1-434-996-4775

[E-MAIL] [email protected]

To: Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.

Please help me to get someone in the appropriate US agency’s to examine the finger prints taken at our US Embassy in Cambodia that were sent to Washington DC for verification. These finger prints were not examined in Washington DC and need to be, to determine if they belong to SFC John Hartley Robertson. The letter below was sent to Ambassador Carol A Rodley.

Thank you for any consideration you may provide. This letter will be sent to every US Senator.

Edward T Mahoney

Subject:

MIA/POW: SFC John Hartley Robertson. MIA in Laos on 20 May 1968 while riding on a covey SOG supply helicopter to secret outpost in Laos. MIA/POW case #1184, Army serial number #56299302.

20 May 68; Robert D. Plato, MSG E-8, Hatchet Force, KIA-RR. John Hartley Robertson, SFC E-7, USASF, FOB-1, Phu Bai, Ops 35 and a Vietnamese Pilot, Co-pilot, and door gunner (names unknown) SFC Robertson and the Vietnamese, MIA-Presumptive finding of death. These individuals were on a King bee helicopter, CH34, 4 miles inside Laos, south of A Shau; on a medical evacuation helicopter and to re-supply a recon team and hatchet force in combat with the enemy when the helicopter came under intense enemy fire, smashed into the trees, and caught fire in the A Shau Valley, Laos. SFC Robertson was the Covey rider who supported RT Alabama on 4 May 68

SFC John Hartley Robertson. Causality Office Case # 1184. US Army serial number # 56299302, born on 25 October 1936 at Birmingham, Alabama. Entered U.S. Army on 15 June 1954

This correspondence is to corroborate my two associates Mr. Thomas Faunce and his Brother Mr. Joseph Faunce’s visit to our US Embassy in Phnom Pehn on 9 January 2009. Your personnel members “ Mary and Pete” were presented with a person who claims to be SFC John Hartley Robertson {later promoted to MSG after the helicopter crash, hereafter referred to as the “person“} for additional vetting to ascertain the comprehensive truth as to his identity.

This person presented to “Mary and Pete” was in fact the same person who two years prior to this visit was simply vetted one day {while he was locked in a room for 24 hours} and not found credible in spite of that no finger prints were taken during this time period. The person’s fingerprints that were taken at our Embassy in the presence of Mr. Thomas Faunce and Mr. Joseph Faunce and were sent to Washington DC for certain recognition . Later a answer concerning the fingerprints of the person that was in attendance was not “credible evidence” with reference to the person in question. Ironically the fingerprints of the person in question were not examined at all by some one in Washington D.C.

“Mary and Pete” were persuaded by Mr. Thomas Faunce and his Brother Mr. Joseph Faunce that this person was too tall to be a Vietnamese man and had functioning memory of details concerning his crash. Both Mr. Thomas Faunce and his Brother Joseph Faunce and myself are convinced that this person is MSG John Hartley Robertson. This person may well be another American soldier, a very tall Vietnamese man or an impostor. Please keep in mind that this person suffers from memory recall and his language translated from Vietnamese to English may be misinterpreted. Upon photographing this person to disclose the extent of his stomach injuries sustained in the helicopter crash it was discovered that he was circumcised! How many Vietnamese men do you suppose were circumcised in 1936?

The widow of MSG John Hartley Robertson as well as a former retired NCO in Delta Company 1/503 82nd Airborne at Fort Bragg NC were not able to positively identify the photo that I sent to the both of them. As of today I am the only person who identified the photo as SFC John Hartley Robertson. During the period from 8 Jan 1959 to 1 August 1961 I served in the same platoon as Sfc John Hartley Robertson { then a Staff Sergeant}

My initial e-mail sent detailing all present and past information with reference to SFC John Hartley Robertson to our Embassy in Phnom Phen during the occasion Mr. Thomas Faunce and his Brother’s visit was opened but not answered. All further e-mails sent to our Embassy at Phnom Pehn were sent back as undeliverable but were sent to four e-mail locations in Washington DC.

It is very disconcerting that as an American citizen expressing his Constitutional rights concerning this incident to have my e-mails go unanswered or very possible not sent to your attention. regarding this event.

In conclusion it is crucial that you absolutely substantiate the identity of this person as it is in he best interests of our nation. As you know the POW/MIA issue must not be glossed over and deemed “not credible” considering the considerable effort in time and money in returning an American MIA/POW in question, home where he belongs. Dismissing this issue concerning the true identity of SFC John Hartley Robertson will not be tolerated by persons in our government who are responsible to insuring that all vetting takes place when logical uncertainty is presented concerning any POW/MIA

Respectfully,

Edward T Mahoney
 
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