Question regarding the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by phila, Sep 4, 2006.

  1. SpanielSells

    SpanielSells New Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    My Little Pocket of Freedom, USA
    The Bill of Rights was written to protect the rights of citizens from a tyrranical government. Nothing more.

    Only fools and those who are intellectually dishonest believe that the 2nd Amendment somehow offers states (the government) to keep and bear arms as well as maintain an army. The 2nd Amendment does no such thing.

    Those first ten amendments offer no rights to the states. Those rights are afforded to the people. It is baffling how someone could look at the ten and say to themselves, Wow. Amendments 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 give rights to the people. Amendment 2 gives rights to the government. Why on earth would the Founding Fathers extend the right to keep and bear arms to the government and not the people?

    There's an interesting website, if you want to take the time to read, that provides a montage of all the Founding Fathers and what their opinions were regarding private firearm ownership. Again, it becomes clearly obvious that the right to keep and bear arms was intended for individual citizens, not for a state-run militia.

    See for website mentioned.

  2. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    Very nice collection of Founding Father's statements.

    Each should copy and save in their own RKBA file.

  3. SpanielSells

    SpanielSells New Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    My Little Pocket of Freedom, USA

    Glad to provide a useful link. :cool:

  4. Kentuckian

    Kentuckian New Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    You don't seem to have much faith in the military doing the right thing.
  5. IBFrank

    IBFrank New Member

    May 7, 2006
    So. Ohio
    I remember in early childhood, groups of citizen, or smaller groups of neighbors gathering on certain, specially set-aside days, to go shooting for "militia practice". It was friendly competition with "your most military like rifle/carbine." That could be your Browning pump .22, your "Garden Gun", bolt action rifle, shotgun, govt. surplus '03A3, M1 Garand or carbine, or whatever else you wanted to shoot. There would be bigger contests and covered dish dinners on holidays like the 4th of July. Sometimes, informal teams would ride to a neighboring county for shooting contests. It was all good clean fun that anyone could join. You could even borrow a gun from somebody, people were more friendly. Almost everybody carried a gun in a holster on their side, in the truck or car somewhere, in a belt or pocket. People also knew that if they needed help, neighbors could be relied upon to come quickly with arms, and would help corral the ne'er-do-well.
    But it was a lot more than just fun. People were actually keeping their firearms skills able and ready just in case the call should ever come; "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!" from all enemies, foreign or domestic! Almost every other house had at least an old Springfield (or German Luger, iron crosses, etc.)they brought back from the war (which could have been WW I or II back then). And people couldn't wait to show off their new guns.
    It was about that time when people started disbelieving the govt. The Roswell spaceship controversy, denials and cover-up, McCarthy hearings, communist spys among us (there is still a uranium distilling plant near here), the space race, U2s, flying "saucers" seen by too many to continue denying they were real, etc.
    sidebar; Not every piece of the Roswell crash was confiscated! Pieces of it made "the rounds" around the country. It was some amazing stuff never before seen at the time. It looked like aluminum foil that was shiny on both sides. A wooden kitchen match would not burn or melt it and you could instantly touch it and it wouldn't be hot. In fact, you could put it in your hand over a lit match and feel no heat! You could wad it up in your hands and when you laid it down, it would return to shape with no wrinkles or lines on it. Years later, Mylar would remind me of it but Mylar wrinkles when you crumple it. After everybody checked out the sample, it was sent to the next place it could be "safely" examined (meaning legal authorities like police or sheriff deputies and their families and neighbors). Where those pieces ended up is anybodies guess.
    Times were nearing the end of innocence, of true freedom. All is not lost, though. We still have courageous citizens willing to do the right thing and we still have nameless faceless enemies among us. We should ALL be at least as well armed as the enemy!
    The Second Amendment means what it says, simply and plainly. A free "state" is not restrained within a state's borders or a particular time zone. It is a state of mind of security, peace of mind, of knowing you don't have to wait on the cops to defend you and yours, of knowing that an enemy would have to be crazy to invade the U.S.A., a country where every man can shoot back. A "state" can be your back yard, a neighborhood, town, city, county or all of Ohio should Michigan ever attack! A firearm instills confidence, responsibility, honor and respect, the very things this country was founded upon.
    It's a shame we have to try to vote for the (hopefully) lesser of two evils. An anti-gun politician should be booed offstage and run out of town! The liberals almost succeeded in "telling the big lie long enough and people will start believing it" when Clintonists were in power. I believe there are smarter people in this country than they give us credit for. All the gun laws passed by them are unconstitutional and, therefore, need not be obeyed. As for me, I never needed anybodies permission to defend myself.
  6. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    This is the defination from Websters 1828

    STATE, n. [L., to stand, to be fixed.]
    1. Condition; the circumstances of a being or thing at any given time. These circumstances may be internal, constitutional or peculiar to the being, or they may have relation to other beings. We say, the body is in a sound state, or it is in a weak state; or it has just recovered from a feeble state. The state of his health is good. The state of his mind is favorable for study. So we say, the state of public affairs calls for the exercise of talents and wisdom. In regard to foreign nations, our affairs are in a good state. So we say, single state, and married state.
    Declare the past and present state of things.
    2. Modification of any thing.
    Keep the state of the question in your eye.
    3. Crisis; stationary point; highth; point from which the next movement is regression.
    Tumors have their several degrees and times, as beginning, augment, state and declination. [Not in use.]
    4. Estate; possession. [See Estate.]
    5. A political body, or body politic; the whole body of people united under one government, whatever may be the form of the government.
    Municipal law is a rule of conduct prescribed by the supreme power in a state.
    More usually the word signifies a political body governed by representatives; a commonwealth; as the States of Greece; the States of America. In this sense, state has sometimes more immediate reference to the government, sometimes to the people or community. Thus when we say, the state has made provision for the paupers, the word has reference to the government or legislature; but when we say, the state is taxed to support paupers, the word refers to the whole people or community.
    6. A body of men united by profession, or constituting a community of a particular character; as the civil and ecclesiastical states in Great Britain. But these are sometimes distinguished by the terms church and state. In this case, state signifies the civil community or government only.
    7. Rank; condition; quality; as the state of honor.
    8. Pomp; appearance of greatness.
    In state the monarchs marchd.
    Where least of state, there most of love is shown.
    9. Dignity; grandeur.
    She instructed him how he should keep state, yet with a modest sense of his misfortunes.
    10. A seat of dignity.
    This chair shall be my state.
    11. A canopy; a covering of dignity.
    His high throne, under state of richest texture spread-- [Unusual.]
    12. A person of high rank. [Not in use.]
    13. The principal persons in a government.
    The bold design pleasd highly those infernal states.
    14. The bodies that constitute the legislature of a country; as the states general.
    15. Joined with another word, it denotes public, or what belongs to the community or body politic; as state affairs; state policy. STATE, v.t.

    1. To set; to settle. [See Stated.]
    2. To express the particulars of any thing verbally; to represent fully in words; to narrate; to recite. The witnesses stated all the circumstances of the transaction. They are enjoined to state all the particulars. It is the business of the advocate to state the whole case. Let the question be fairly stated.
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