DC, that load for my 8 X 56MS is, as I mentioned, my plinking/fun load and yes sir, it is enough for a woods load. Mostly I just wanted to see where it was and how the numbers ran. I was pleased and it's always been an accurate load. My "more serious load" is 23-24 gr.s of the same powder and brings the velocity closer to or slightly above my preferred 1800 fps. I didn't have any loaded that day soooo...no numbers. In addition to more bullet weight than the two you mentioned, that bullet also has a nice meplat. I am convinced that is a significant factor in the effectiveness of a cast bullet on game. Of the three most commonly referred to calculations of a cartridge's effectiveness on game I like Taylor's KO value and Keith's pounds/feet better than the conventional FPE formula, preferring Keith's. None are going to be exact but either of the first two are more realistic than the latter. When the conventional formula square's the velocity, everything beyond that becomes skewed in favor of velocity.