REAL Food for Thought, Re: CONSTITUTION

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Marlin, Aug 14, 2005.

  1. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    Here is some real food for thought concerning our Founding Dather's concept of the United States they had just formed. It is from today's Sierra Times.


    An Understatement: The Founding Fathers Hated Democracy

    Douglas F. Newman

    TB writes:

    "My son and I have a running argument going and I'm hoping you will help me clear this up. He says we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic, and I say we are indeed a democracy. Today the nominee for Supreme Court justice, John Roberts, said he was appreciative for the court's role in this constitutional democracy. Seems like he should know what we are, right? Can you help me explain all of this? And settle the argument?"


    Thanks for writing. In the beginning America was a constitutional republic. Then we degenerated into a democracy. Let me explain.

    It would be an understatement to say that the Founding Fathers hated democracy. They warned against it vehemently and relentlessly. They equated it – properly – with mob rule.

    Someone far wittier than I once remarked that, in a democracy, two wolves and a sheep take a majority vote on what’s for supper, while in a constitutional republic, the wolves are forbidden on voting on what’s for supper and the sheep are well armed.

    Neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution even contains the word “democracy.” In a democracy, the majority rules and individual rights are irrelevant. If the majority votes that half of your income be confiscated before you can even by groceries, oh well. If the majority votes that you must educate your children in a certain location because you live on a certain side of an arbitrary line, oh well. If the majority votes that you must be disarmed and defenseless against violent criminals, oh well. If the majority votes that your religion be designated an “outlaw religion” and that you and all other practitioners be committed to mental institutions, oh flipping well.

    (And this is what our political, economic and media elites want to export across the globe?)

    The Founders knew democracy would inevitably degenerate into despotism. There is a great line in Mel Gibson’s move The Patriot about there being no difference between one tyrant 3000 miles away and 3000 tyrants one mile away. Tyranny is tyranny, whether it is imposed by one person or by millions. Voting does not guarantee freedom. Voting for evil does not legitimize evil.

    The United States Constitution goes to great lengths to thwart the process of democracy.

    * Our federal government has three coequal branches – executive, legislative, judicial – and an intricate system of checks and balances to ensure that, when one branch oversteps its bounds, another branch can say “We don’t think so!”

    (If you think that federal courts have no accountability, you are wrong. Article 3, Section 2 authorizes congress to limit the scope of this jurisdiction. Instead of whining and weeping and wailing about a rogue judiciary, congress needs to start exercising this power.)

    * Federalism, embodied in the Tenth Amendment, forbids Uncle Sam from engaging in any activity not expressly authorized by the Constitution. These powers, which are few and defined, are found in Article 1, Section 8.

    The FEDGOV started chipping away at this one in 1861. During the 1930s it became a dead letter. Our current “conservative” president and congress show absolutely no interest in reviving it.)

    * The Electoral College is another means of thwarting democracy. Suppose that a candidate for president wins, say, California by a million votes and loses every other state by ten votes. He loses the Electoral College by 483-55. The Founders would not stand for the principle of the majority uber alles. They feared – prophetically? – an elected despotism. Again, just because people vote for something does not legitimize it.

    (In the first presidential election, only ten of the 13 states participated. Only five held any kind of popular election for president. It just wasn't a big deal. The president could do next to nothing anyway.)

    * Until the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment in 1916, US senators were elected by state legislatures. A senate elected by state legislatures would serve as a “brake” on the runaway potential of a popularly elected house. The house was the only segment of the federal government that was democratically elected.

    The Constitution contains other defenses against runaway majority rule.

    The Second Amendment states:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    The ultimate purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee that the people retain the ability resist their government.

    The right to a trial by a fully informed jury -- which is what a jury trial was at the time of the Founding -- is the ultimate check on any bad law. Under this principle, juries could try not only the facts of a case, but also the law pertaining to that case. If so much as one juror felt that the law under which the defendant was being tried was unconstitutional, unbiblical or JUST PLAIN STUPID, that juror could vote to acquit and the defendant would walk. The rights of jurors are perhaps the most forgotten rights of all.

    The best example of fully informed juries in action is found in regard to the Fugitive Slave Laws of the 1850s. These laws made it a crime to harbor a runaway slave. Northerners of good conscience repeatedly violated these laws and juries repeatedly acquitted them based on the injustice of these laws.

    The Ninth Amendment protects your right to do things -- home school your children, smoke marijuana -- that the majority might not approve of. Indeed, if you understand constitutional government, almost all of your life must be off limits to Uncle Sam.

    As a Christian, I cringe when I hear other Christians, especially pastors, glorify democracy. Pilate initially did not want to crucify Jesus. However, he caved in to the will of the mob and sent Jesus to His death. (Matthew 27:23-26)

    I hope this puts your disagreement with your son to rest. As far as John Roberts' assertion that America is a “constitutional democracy”, he is playing on the ignorance of millions of Americans. It is this same ignorance that makes it so easy for those who would take away our freedoms to do so. Party labels are irrelevant. Adolph Hitler – who, by the way, was democratically elected – once remarked that it was lucky for rulers that people do not think.

    The Founders, who hated democracy, gave us a free country. Our ignorance of history, which has lead to a love of democracy, is causing us to surrender our freedoms at an alarming rate.

    © 2005 Sierra Times
  2. Slimslam

    Slimslam New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    SE Michigan
    Thank you Marlin! I've been writing letters to my local newspapers (Detroit News and Detroit Free Press - just bought out by Gannett) for some time now regarding this very subject. Guess what? They have yet to print one of my letters. Big surprise, huh? I am sick of opening a newspaper or turning on the TV or radio to hear that "We must make the world safe for democracy"....Yes, the majority (pun intended) of the people actually believe that we live in a direct or pure democracy! I blame our government-run public schools and ALL forms of media for this gross misconception!

    Oh, but our Constitution is a "living document" cry certain political pinheads!! BS!! Now more than ever, We The People need our constitutional republic back! I have two bumper stickers on my car. One says "The Second Amendment: Our Original Homeland Security". The other is a homemade one: "republic=good, democracy=bad". People read them with a perplexed look on their (sorry) "collective" lemmings into the sea.

    Anyway....I appreciate the post.

  3. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Great post Marlin. Many thanks.
  4. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

    Sep 11, 2002
    Colorado Rocky Mountains
    What is being taught within our school systems?
    That is what our children are learning, and going to grow up believing.
  5. Kasatka

    Kasatka New Member

    Apr 18, 2005
    I hate how people think democracy is the ultimate final form of enlightened rule. It's exactly as that article stated, mob rule. The majority of people in Nazi Germany believed it was alright to commit genocide against Jews, but that doesn't make it right, now does it?
  6. Carl S

    Carl S New Member

    Feb 3, 2004
    Bunnell, FL
    Democracy always leads ultimately to dictatorship. Our founding fathers were well aware of the dangers of a democracy.
  7. mpdc3870

    mpdc3870 New Member

    Aug 20, 2005
    Wow, incredible article. New stuff even for me, that's why I love this site. Keep up the good work.
  8. Ruger.44

    Ruger.44 New Member

    Jun 5, 2005

    Thank you for your intuitive research. THIS is a really good thread. I am going to make this into a poster and staple it to my front door.

  9. HiPowerKid

    HiPowerKid New Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    NW FL
    I have a button I often wear that reads "America is a Republic, Not a democracy." I get the same stupid looks from people as others who don't know the difference, or worse, don't seem to care. For further additional good information about retaining our republic, please click on the link and help us fight the loss of American sovereignty and inform our representatives to VOTE NO on the FTAA that is coming up. President Bush had a lot of arms twisted to get C.A.F.T.A passed, a stepping stone to F.T.A.A. (Free Trade Area of the Americas, sort of N.A.F.T.A. on steroids). If you don't want a European Union of Canada, U.S.A., Mexico, Central America and all of South America, please enlist to fight this. Our sovereignty and our borders depend on it.
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