safety hammer double action

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  1. magna19

    magna19 New Member

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    I just bought a pistol and trying to figure out a little about it. It says safety hammer double action on the top and the only other markings are under the left grip stamped the number 27. Also it looks like some 44 type caliber. Thanks
     

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  2. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

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    Check here:

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=46429

    IIRC, the "safety hammer" was not any special mechanism (unlike the Iver Johnson transfer bar); the H&R hammer was "safe" only because there was no spur to be hit easily. Carrying the gun with a loaded chamber under the hammer is highly dangerous.

    Jim
     

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    That link helped alot, but after reading it still is unclear what model/variation this one is. black powder or smokeless Thanks Jerry
     
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    I think Bill Goforth answered your question. The "SAFETY HAMMER DOUBLE ACTION" was just a variant of "THE AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION" and what applies to one applies to the other.

    Jim
     
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    to help clear up any remaining doubts, the octagon barrel and the nickel trigger guard makes this one a first model 3rd variation equipped with the spurless hammer. the 44 caliber is 44 Webley.

    AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION FIRST MODEL
    (BLACK POWDER MODEL):--------------- 1884-1904
    32 caliber 6 shot, 38 caliber 5 shot, 44 caliber 5 shot, pull pin cylinder release, barrel length 2½, 4½ & 6 inches nickel finish standard, blue considered rare. Marked on top strap “AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION”,
    first variation will have a round barrel & nickel trigger guard & rear trigger guard retaining pin slightly off set to the rear --------1884-1887
    second variation will have a round barrel & nickel trigger guard -1884-1887
    third variation will have a octagon barrel & nickel trigger guard -1888-1897
    fourth variation will have a octagon barrel , blue trigger guard and company name and address on left side of barrel -1898-1904
    100%=$225 60%=$95, 1st Variation rarely seen, add 50% premium., for all American Double Actions variations and variants: add 15% premium for blue finish, add 10% premium for 4 ½ “ or 6” barrel, add 5%-10% premium for nickel trigger guard (pre 1898)

    BULLDOG FIRST MODEL LARGE FRAME Rimfire Calibers)-------------1888-1904
    32 Rimfire 6 shot, 38 Rimfire 5 shot (Variation of American Double Action First Model Marked on top strap “H&R BULL DOG”
    100%=$235 60%=$95

    SAFETY HAMMER DOUBLE ACTION FIRST MODEL----------------1888-1904
    Same as American Double Action First Model except has patented Spurless Hammer, patent date will be marked on Hammer
    Marked on top strap “SAFETY HAMMER DOUBLE ACTION”
    100%=$235 60%=$95
    bill
     
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