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a lady friend sent this to me vai e-mail.> > The elbow is the
> > strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do!
> >
> > If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail
> > lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. *The
> > driver won't see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.*
> >
> > Last night I attended a personal safety workshop, and it jolted me. It
> > was given by an amazing man, Pat Malone, who has been a body guard for
> > famous figures like Farrah Fawcett and Sylvester Stallone. He works for
> > the FBI, and teaches police officers and Navy SEALS hand-to-hand combat.
> > *This man has seen it all, and knows a lot.* He focused his teachings
> > some statistics about how much the occurrences of random violence have
> > escalated over the recent years, and it's terrible. Something like 99%
> > of us will be exposed to, or become a victim of a violent crime.
> >
> > Here are some of the most important points that I got out of his
> > presentation:
> >
> > (1.) The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of
> > violence are:
> > (a.) Lack of Awareness You MUST know where you are & what's going on
> > around you.
> > (b.) Body Language Keep your head up, swing your arms, stand straight up.
> > (c.) Wrong Place, Wrong Time DON'T walk alone in an alley, or drive in a
> > bad neighborhood at night.
> >
> > (2.) Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping,
> > eating, working, etc, and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a
> > list, etc). DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this
> > is the perfect opportunity for him to get in the passenger side, put a
> > gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO
> > (a.) A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or
> > parking garage: Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the
> > passenger side floor, and in the back seat.
> > (b.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the
> > passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them
> > into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.
> > (c.) Look at the car parked on the drivers side of your vehicle, and the
> > passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car,
> > you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a
> > guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER
> > TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (Better paranoid than dead.)
> >
> > (3.) ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are
> > horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).
> > (a.) Do not get on an elevator if there is a weirdo already on there.
> > (Of course bad men don't always look bad).
> > (b.) Do not stand back in the corners of the elevator, be near the
> > front, by the doors, ready to get off or on.
> > (c.) If you get on the elevator on the 25th floor, and someone
> > suspicious gets on the 22nd, get off when he gets on.
> >
> > (4) If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS
> > RUN!
> > (a.) Police only make 4 of 10 shots when they are in range of 3-9 feet.
> > This is due to stress.
> > (b.) The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times.
> > And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!
> >
> > (5.) As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may
> > get you raped, or killed.
> > (a.) Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good looking, well-educated
> > man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He
> > walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his
> > vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.
> > (b.) Pat Malone told us the story of his daughter, who came out of the
> > mall and was walking to her car when she noticed 2 older ladies in front
> > of her. Then she saw a police car come towards her with cops who said
> > hello. She also noticed that all 8 handicap spots in the area were
> > empty. As she neared her car she saw a man a few rows over calling to
> > her for help. He wanted her to close his passenger side door. He was
> > sitting in the driver's side, and said he was handicapped. He continued
> > calling, until she turned and headed back to the mall, and then he began
> > cursing at her. In the meantime, she wondered why he didn't ask the 2
> > older ladies, or the policeman for help, and why he was not parked in
> > any of the empty handicap spots. As she got back to the mall, two male
> > friends of hers were exiting, and as she told them the story, and turned
> > to point at the car, another man was getting out of the back seat into
> > front, and the car sped away. DON'T GET CAUGHT IN THIS TRAP.
> >
> > (6.). Tips to saving your life, if you have gotten into a violent
> > (a.) REACT IMMEDIATELY If he abducts you in a parking lot, and is taking
> > you to an abandoned area, DON'T LET HIM GET YOU TO THAT AREA. *If you
> > are driving, react immediately in the situation, and crash your car
> > while still going 5 mph. If he's driving, find the right time, and stick
> > your fingers in his eyes. He must watch the road, so choose an
> > unsuspecting time, and gouge him. It is your ONLY defense. While he is
> > in shock, GET OUT. (This sounds gross, but the alternative is your fault
> > if you do not act.)
> > (b.) RESIST Don't go along with him: run, if you are able: DON'T
> > EVER GIVE UP! You DO NOT want to get to a crime scene.
> >
> > (7.) Always keep your distance when walking past strangers on the street
> > or in dark areas.
> >
> > (8.) GET A CELL PHONE.
> > (a.) There are packages for $19.95 a month that allow you to program
> > only 911into the dialing out program. (This is an alternative for
> > parents who say it is too expensive for their kids to have a cell
> > phone.)
> >
> > (9.) BREAK DOWNS: Make every effort to avoid this by ALWAYS keeping your
> > car in good working order.
> > (a.) If your car breaks down: LOCK YOUR DOORS. You better have a cell
> > phone to call for help.
> > (b). If you don't have a cell phone: (shame on you) keep a blanket, warm
> > clothes, a pair of boots, and a flashlight in your car always, for
> > emergencies.
> > (c.) If it's noon on a business day, you may want to put your hazards on
> > and walk to safety.
> > (d.) If it's 2 a.m, put on your warm clothes, and walk to a lighted
> > area. You are a perfect target if you are sitting in your car broken
> > down. Predators search the highways for easy targets like you.
> > (e.) If you're on a desolate road: walk away from the car (in your warm
> > clothes) and go to some bushes, or some area AWAY from your vehicles. It
> > will be cold, and uncomfortable, but you DO NOT want to stay in your
> > car, and there are no psycho bogeymen waiting in the bushes who knew you
> > were going to break down there and then.
> >
> > (10.) Physical defenses that we can use against the violent predator:
> > (a.) The EYES are the most vulnerable part of the body. Poke him there.
> > HARD. It may be your, only window of opportunity.
> > (b.) The neck is also a vulnerable spot, but you MUST know where to
> > grip, AND HAVE THE STRENGTH to cut off his breath.
> > (c.) The last place is the KNEES. Everyone's knees are very vulnerable,
> > and a swift kick here will take anyone down.
> > -- A cautionary note about these things. If you do not do these things
> > right the first time, you are in trouble, because it will only anger the
> > individual, and that anger will be TAKEN OUT ON YOU. I'm not saying
> > don't attempt them (it may be your only hope), but be forceful when you
> >
> > (11.) If you are walking alone in the dark (which you shouldn't be) and
> > you find him following/chasing you:
> > (a.) Scream "FIRE!", and not "help". People don't want to get involved
> > when people yell "help", but "fire" draws attention because people are
> > (b.) RUN!
> > (c.) Find an obstacle, such as a parked car, and run around it, like
> > Ring Around the Rosie. This may sound silly, but over the years, 5 women
> > have told Pat Malone that this SAVED THEIR LIVES.
> > (d.) Your last hope is getting under the car. Once you are under there,
> > there are tons of things to hold on to, and he will not be able to get
> > you out and will not come under for you (most likely). Usually they give
> > up by this point. The catch here is that YOU> MUST PRACTICE GETTING
> > UNDER THE CAR. You must have a plan (he will have one);know if you will
> > be going on your back, front, from the side or back of the car. It must
> > be practiced.
> > (12.) Never let yourself or anyone that you know be a "closer" in any
> > type of business (bar, store, restaurant, gas station). Pat knew
> > Danielle, who was a girl that just died from being shot point-blank by
> > some kids while she was closing at the local gas station. He talked with
> > her the night before she died, and asked whether it ever scared her to
> > close alone. She said yes, but said "I'll be alright,Pat. I'll be
> > alright." She wasn't.
> > Our world is not as safe as we pretend that it is, and living in our
> > fantasy worlds WILL get us in trouble, sooner or later. Pat Malone said
> > again and again that the women who die EVERY MINUTE from violent crimes
> > expected to go to bed tonight, and get up tomorrow. No one expects it,
> > but we must be prepared and aware so that we HAVE A PLAN.
> >

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(7/1/01 8:01:50 pm)
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BlackGun - a few more points to add - take a self defense class - learn how to use a weapon and take time to practice, practice, practice. Other things one can do - if you are wearing high heels (you know the ones you don't see that much anymore - with the stiletto heels) stomp them in their foot - if you're athletic enough a kick to the side of the knee with a stiletto heel will most likely break their knee cap.

As for not closing places - well today was my last day of cleaning and instead of going late at night which I normally did on a Sunday I went early and have been home for almost 2 hours now. No cleaning at night ever again for me.

Many cops and so forth argue that you should allow yourself to be raped and not fight back - but fighting back gives you the chance to collect evidence and quite possibly get away before the perpetrator can actually do the deed - the cops say the man will be more likely to hurt you or kill you if you do scream, struggle, hit, run and the like - but from what I've found out by the community of women is they are just as likely to hurt and/or kill you if you do nothing.

Watch what you do and how you do it - if you are walking to your car - have your keys in hand (in a fist) with one of the keys sticking through - if nothing else you will not be fumbling for your keys and it can become a weapon.

ps - BlackGun, thanks for the post!!!

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(7/20/01 7:54:22 pm)
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Nice posting. A lot of good stuff in there we all should be aware of.

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(8/2/01 2:00:44 pm)
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Hey, I was wondering if any of you ever took a NRA "Refuse to be a Victim " class? Maybe they teach some of that stuff in that class. I really think most of us are just too careless when it comes to defending ourselves and our familes. I think we just get to feeling too secure. Every once in a while on the news here I see someone murdered because some pervert just walked into their unlocked home and killed them. Sad.

"those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"

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(8/2/01 3:33:56 pm)
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If a woman being attacked can vomit on her assailant it highly unlikely that the attack will continue. However, it's not wise to practice this too much.

Robert Harden
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(8/26/01 12:35:10 pm)
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Good points, all valuable! I agree with taking a class, everyone should take the time to take a seminar or a self defense class.

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(8/26/01 12:46:56 pm)
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RobertHarden - while I agree about taking a self defense class, I find it hard to believe a seminar would do a lot of good. Maybe it's just me but I've been to those types of seminars and learned little - mostly because one is sitting and being instructed not worked with to get it through so it is retained in ones memory.

Probably didn't explain that well enough but without some hands on experience we as human beings do not usually retain enough info to do it right.

Robert Harden
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(8/26/01 2:40:55 pm)
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Hands on experience is always better no doubt. I think everyone should be in some type of martial arts or self defense, something. I instructed Taekwondo for about 6 years, trained for longer, but some people just don't do that or want to. Those that don't should at least hear about it at a seminar. I learned a couple interesting things just from reading the above. I guess I look at a seminar as informational, nothing more. Anything that is taught for physical defense should be hands on.

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Edwin Paul Thomas
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(8/31/01 11:09:21 am)
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Black Gun,

You think your lady friend would mind if I took your post and put it in a web site of mine? I think it will go right along with some other things I have.

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(9/4/01 2:22:04 pm)
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most important thing in self defense

i have found the most important thing ,besides practice,practice practice ,is never give them a warning ,make it as least noticeable as possible ,never say things like i am trained in {whatever}{made that mistake ONCE} ,if you are being threatened use what ever means you have no matter what the conditions ,kick ,scratch, bite, pull, hair, there is no such thing as a fair fight in the streets here is my personal categories of a fight RULES I LIVE BY

1 :fair fight :in a ring with a referee

2:someone is a tacking for whatever reason: i didn't ask for it so your going to get it, by whatever means it takes for me to get you ,i don't care if you weigh 120 pounds i will still hit you with something to make it easy no sense in dragging it on and risk being hurt
this is were kick ,scratch, bite, pull, hair, comes to play

3 :you have a ass kicking coming: don't worry you will never see it coming {just hope it is cold to justify the ski mask}

further more like i said above never announce anything ,they should not know you have a gun until it goes bang
they should not know you have a knife until it is in them{huhhhhh} he's got a knife}{bang heeeee's got a gun}

i have found that making some one think you are a easy target ,{once things get started}you have a physiological advantage if they think its going to be easy
i would rather fight two more than one ,because more than one will expect to win they take their guard down and rely on each other

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(9/4/01 2:33:23 pm)
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You is right on there Postal, it`s all fair in street defense. Get on`um with all you got, then give`um some extra, or run like heck, given the chance....................
"am not" R2

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(9/4/01 2:51:06 pm)
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live to fight another day lts

oh! i forgot ,if you must pistol whip someone remember to keep your finger OFF the trigger{ooops}{long story}
and don't expect your nightsights to work when clogged with blood


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(10/4/01 7:37:04 am)
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excellent information... and I have to agree with being aware of what is going on around you at all times.

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(10/4/01 12:13:54 pm)
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Dad taught me young: hit hard, hit first, use a brick if you need to.

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(10/19/01 2:28:30 pm)
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Sure glad you exposed your methods of maintaining
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Glad I'm in St. Louis
Those TEXAS sized "Bricks" must smart a lot....
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(10/27/01 10:48:50 pm)
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Get a medium length strap for your keys, and a heafty keyring to attach it with. A good swipe accross the face with your keys will give any predator second thoughts. Practice swinging it often, to get used to its range. A strap that is too long makes it easier for the predator to grasp and pull away. Because I always carry my keys with me, I'll always have some sort of weapon to use.

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(10/28/01 9:16:51 pm)
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if all else fails ,skimask + 2x4 works wonders

I probably weigh 300 pounds on any given day {225 naked} , the only thing a attacker might and I mean might have going for him is hopefully for him I might get confused at what I want to use on him

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(1/23/02 8:04:35 pm)
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Probably the best word of defense advice:
"Everything's a weapon"

Use your imagination. Always use your bare fists as a last resort. Some examples of things that wouldn't be thought of as weapons:

If you have a newspaper, roll it up crookedly and very tightly to form a spear point. Simply lunge it into your attacker's stomach or face.

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Break one in half and you should end up with a nice, pointy, dagger-like weapon.

Rope, String, Shoelaces, etc.
These can be used in a number of ways. One way is to tie a blunt object to the end and swing it at your attacker's face. Another way, if you can, is to wrap a string or whatever multiple times around your attacker's neck.

Always remember, everything's a weapon!

Being able to get yourself out of holds is very important in my opinion. Learn everything you can about all the holding moves and how to get out of them.

Knowing how to use a knife properly for defense is important. believe it or not, it's better to hold the knife's point upwards instead of downwards. If you hold the knife's point downwards, you'll have a lot of trouble trying to lodge it into your attacker's rip cage or stomach. Oh, and be sure you give the knife a couple good twists before you pull it out of your attacker's body. And when "slicing" a neck, don't cut from ear to ear like you see in the movies. All you have to do is simply stab it into the middle of the throat and give it a good twist on the way out to completely sever the attacker's windpipe. Notice, however, that this move is always fatal for your victim if done correctly, as the windpipe becomes damaged beyond repair and your victim will die of suffocation, infection, and/or loss of blood in only a minute or two.

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deadeye - thank you for those nice pointers on weapons. You are so correct that anything and everything can be used for defense.

In case I haven't done so before - welcome to the boards.

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(7/26/02 9:21:26 am)
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Pretty much all that advice assumes you stay around to fight. In most situations, running away is simple and easy. You gotta figure the crook is lazy, that's why he or she is not working for a living or running for congress in Ohio.

Also, I remember reading about a cop-training facility nearby that brags about the low pass rate on its survival course. The final exam runs the cop through a whole bunch of shoot/don't shoot scenarios, as well as shooting while running, driving, from concealment and in all kinds of positions. In one of the last stages, the testee goes through a building, then gets in an SUV and drives through another stage. This is where the fail, because they invariably jump in and go without looking in the back seat . . .

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(1/25/03 12:03:42 am)
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Quick termination by INFECTION?
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin, (1759)

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(2/13/03 2:59:00 am)
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I've always found that when fighting a larger opponent. A swift hard punch to the throat area (adams apple area) works wonders.

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