Sharps & Hankins 1859 Navy Carbine

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  1. bskip

    bskip New Member

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    Hello everyone, new to the forum. I just happened across it by chance.
    I have recently purchased a Sharps and Hankins .52 Navy carbine and I need a replacement part. The link from the barrel to the lever is cracked and I'm looking for a good used one.
    Does anyone have any ideas where all i can check?
    Thanks
    B
    First pic is the part I need..
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    bskip, can you post a pic of yours, and the crack in it?
     
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    Yes, soon as I get home.
     
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    Ya-hoo buddy....maybe you'd have more luck searching for the Holy Grail?

    TRAP or one of several other guys on here could answer this a lot better than me but, if the crack isn't too bad, or even if it is, would it be possible to have it welded and re-fit?
     
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    It's cracked in the worst possible spot and I checked with a machine shop, they said they could make a new one but I can almost pick up another gun for what the quoted.

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    Ouch...that dimple can't possibly help matters either.

    You know, they used to weld SAA frames back together. You'd think someone could do that but I have no idea who. And there's a whole lot more I don't know about welding than I do!!
     
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    Sharps, that's why I wanted a pic. I have a kid that is an absolute artist with a TIG welder. I give him a broken part, tell him what it is, what it does, and how hard/tempered it has to be. I get it back, and it's a drop in. If it isn't, 15mins is the most time I've spent stoning and polishing, and that's because I told him to leave a bit for fitting. Since I've had him doing my welding, I don't even know if my welder works anymore!:)
    Best part, he's dirt cheap!
    bskip, I've played with a S&H, but never had one apart. What's the function of the dimple, is it for a detent, or to clear something in the action when it's closed up?
    Edit: Nevermind, found it. That's fixable, and for less than that replacement.
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    The dimple in the linkage is to clear the screw head that holds the rollar to the barrel. The action is tight (enough I plan to run powder thru it). The linkage fits snugly in the frame and is slotted beside the dimple. Both ends of the link pivot. I will post a few pics of the action in work.
    I have been skeptical of having part welded but there may not be any other options.
    I appreciate y'alls advise and help!
     
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    Good Afternoon Sir..The reason I, the old non-gunner Chief, is responding to this post is
    the name HANKINS ...Hankins was my mother's maiden name and her father Dave Hankins
    was a story teller supreme!! I can remember as kids in Iowa, there on the 160 acre
    share-cropper farm he would tell us stories ranging from outlaw stories to ghost stories..He'd
    frighten us so badly it would be difficult going up into those attic type bed spaces at night
    without being punished by Grandma Hankins first. Grandpa Dave was born in Missouri state
    and lived near the outlaw Jesse and Frank James...many of those stories involved the James
    brothers and their train robberies and the Pinkerton Detectives of the railroad..He told the
    story how Mother James was slain by the Pinkertons by burning her inside her house but once
    when I related this same story, one of the troops researched the details and it wasn't true...So
    much for Grandpa Daves stories unless the crime was quietened down...Chief
    Just checked Google...Chief

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    Pinkertons maim Frank and Jesse James' mother - HISTORY
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    In an attempt to flush the outlaws out of the house, the gang threw several flares through the windows. Unexpectedly, one of the flares exploded instantly, killing Frank and Jesse's young half-brother and blowing away their mother's arm.


     
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    No sir, Zarelda Samuel James did not die in the explosion that killed Jesse and Frank's little brother Archie. She did lose a hand.
     
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    Thank you for the story, I think William and Elizabeth Hankins died in the late 1860's but im not sure how many children they had. With a little research you never know what you will find or who you are kin to!
     
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    She ( Zarelda ) also made a lot of money buying cheap revolvers and selling them as belonging to James brothers , most notably Jesse's. A con artist through and through.
     
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