Short-barreled 1911

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  1. I would like to get some opinions from all of you on the short-barreled (3") 1911 .45 pistols that are on the market today, most especially the Kimber Ultra Carry II, which is the one I have my eye on at the moment. ;)

    Like so many, I love the 1911 design and the tried and true .45 ACP, but unlike some, I rarely carry one simply because I find them too heavy and too bulky for daily CCW. That's a matter of taste and opinion, of course, and I know some of you will disagree, but for me at least, that is true. One solution would seem to be simply a smaller, lighter 1911. My concern, however, is that a barrel that short would significantly reduce the effectiveness of the .45 and that the lighter, more compact handgun would be difficult to fire accurately due to added recoil or other factors. What do y'all think? Here is a picture of the pistol for reference:

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  2. oscarmayer

    oscarmayer New Member

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    first off i'm no expert but, i've repaired and rebuilt and even built many a 1911 from scratch over the past 40 yrs. did you notice my post / reply on the colt officers model. not a good choice for a compact 45. but the kimber on the other hand was designed right and has been the pick of the litter as far as small 1911's on concerned. their reliability is in my opinion the best in breed. ( ok wilsons, and les bears might be better but they cost alot more too). as far as performance from a 3in or 3.5 inch vs. a 5in barrel yes you'll have less but it being a 45 you'll still be ahead of the game. use corbon for serious work and re-coop some of the lessened performance over standard ammo. as for the sighting plain yes it'll be different but as with all guns you'll adjust.
     

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    Change the recoil spring at the first sign of trouble and use GOOD mags. The pistol should be fine.
     
  4. Shooter, would you use a lighter bullet--say in the 165 to 180 grain range--in such a pistol instead of the usual 230 grain slug? It would seem that the lighter slug would generate a bit more velocity without really sacrificing penetrating power.
     
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    Based on firing a few...Yes you will lose a bit of velocity. Don't sweat it and don't go to +P loads or the pistol will be a bear to keep on target. I'd recommend loading 185 gn Golden Sabers...can't be beat in a short .45 ACP and no extra blast/recoil.

    A short 1911...you get noticeably more flip at the muzzle, plus the sight radius is shorter anyways, so IMO not an amateur's weapon. +P ammo just makes it worse.

    I avoided 3" 1911 a long time because I was told often they are finicky. I've yet to really see it though or have it explained to me, so I'm putting a mini-1911 on my radar too.
     
  7. 45Smashemflat

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    Pistol - I've had a 3" Kimber Ultra Eclipse for years. Custom Shop gun. All steel. Good comment on "flip" - you will notice a big diff in this behavior as compared to a 5" model. Not insurmountable, just diff. I went with the all steel eclipse model the help - and the extra weight does. I have a Scandium S&W 325 - now that one FLIPS!!!!.

    The 3" Kimber is a constant carry piece in a SOB from Dillon. I use Wilson short mags for carry in the gun and a 8 rounder as added ammo.
     
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    I have the stainless UC and a SIS Ultra. The SIS is more fun to shoot but the UC is much more comfortable to carry.

    Some results I got with the chrono (CEDM):
    Remington 230Gr. ball
    Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II
    1) 734.4 -10.2
    2) 753.2 8.6
    3) 755.2 10.6
    4) 749.2 4.6
    5) 756.0 11.4
    6) 750.4 5.8
    7) 732.0 -12.6
    8) 740.2 -4.4
    9) 748.0 3.4
    10) 728.0 -16.6ƒ
    11) 746.4 1.8
    12) 738.0 -6.6
    13) 753.0 8.4
    14) 741.0 -3.6
    High: 756.0
    Low: 728.0
    E.S.: 28.0
    Ave.: 744.6
    S.D.: 9.0
    95%: ±5.0

    SIS Ultra
    Remington 230Gr. Ball
    1) 753.9 5.8
    2) 757.1 9.0
    3) 747.5 -0.6
    4) 741.8 -6.3
    5) 741.7 -6.4
    6) 745.5 -2.6
    7) 749.0 0.9
    High: 757.1
    Low: 741.7
    E.S.: 15.4
    Ave.: 748.1
    S.D.: 5.8
    95%: ±5.8

    SIS Ultra
    Reloads 185Gr. Nosler - 7.5Gr. Unique
    1) 847.6 16.1
    2) 821.5 -10.0
    3) 818.1 -13.4
    4) 836.3 4.8
    5) 799.8 -31.7
    6) 865.6 34.1
    High: 865.6
    Low: 799.8
    E.S.: 65.8
    Ave.: 831.5
    S.D.: 23.4
    95%: ±26.9

    P.S. The reloads were done on a Dillon SDB
     
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  9. oscarmayer

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    another excellent round for a short barreled 45 is the winchester 180 gr silver tips. recoil is not excessive and they open up upon impact even from a 3 in barrel
     
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    Pistol, I use 180 gr Federal Hydra-Shock ammo in this Kimber.
     

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    Nice, is that a Kimber Custom II. If it is does it come standerd with the laser. I bought mine from a friend and he gave it to me, gun and laser, for $600.
     
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    Yes it is. I don't think the Crimson Trace grips came standard on this one. I got it in a trade for a full sized Springfield I had just reworked.

    You got a good deal.
     
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    At 7 yds or less, where most attacks occur, you will never notice the small drop in velocity and neither will the attacker. :)
     
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    On my wedding day I carried a Colt Special Combat Government Semi-Automatic Handgun, .45 ACP, 5" Barrel, 9 Rounds. I didn't find it too bulky or heavy at all. And for those of you wondering why, I had made someone mad that I shouldn't have and he had been following me for a while waiting for me to drop my guard.
     
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