Should you carry a round in the chamber?
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mine is ready to go.
But in the past i never had one chamberd, but I did train all the time at drawing and cycling the slide.
Got some funny looks. from the people at the range. Still do when i shoot from on my butt or on my side.
Hey you never know what position you need to shoot from.
But in the past i never had one chamberd, but I did train all the time at drawing and cycling the slide.
Got some funny looks. from the people at the range. Still do when i shoot from on my butt or on my side.
Hey you never know what position you need to shoot from.
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Yea, thankfully, I dont have to watch a video to know to carry hot. I ALWAYS have one in the chamber. That means always. Watching TV, driving, no matter what. I am never unarmed unless I am in the shower or in bed and even then I have one within reach.
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+1:yeahthat:
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is "Israeli carry"?
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Israeli's have an order to carry with the Mag loaded and the chamber empty. The thought behind it is if someone pulls your weapon on you they can not fire without retracting the slide first. They practice pulling the pistol and operating the slide in one motion.
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Israeli draw is great it can be done in one motion not much slower than draw,as one draws hold hand on slide other hand extends the pistol forward ,no difference in what the primary hand does,when practiced 2 sec can have two or three shots out.An older sa striker fired would be suitable for that and still be a defense weapon.They came up with that method as many raw recruits,and mossad agents could use same method on all,and they tend to use what they came across where ever that might be.Some fairly good antiques available in many parts of the world.Example com block firearms with no saftey,added for import to usa only,like tokarev,cz52.
And if you are carrying an old striker fired sa cocked and locked or using a tok or cz52 with or without without a safety your unsafe with one in the chamber.Russian doctrine does carry one in the chamber on a cz 52 decocked it has a firing block safety,cock when pulled.Some other notables can be carried loaded decocked and hammer pulled back,due to same type sear block.It was however easier for massad to teach but one way suitable for all they encountered.
Da, da /sa I Have one in the pipe.
And if you are carrying an old striker fired sa cocked and locked or using a tok or cz52 with or without without a safety your unsafe with one in the chamber.Russian doctrine does carry one in the chamber on a cz 52 decocked it has a firing block safety,cock when pulled.Some other notables can be carried loaded decocked and hammer pulled back,due to same type sear block.It was however easier for massad to teach but one way suitable for all they encountered.
Da, da /sa I Have one in the pipe.
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"Many people feel uncomfortable carrying a round in the chamber when they first start carrying in public. "
If you're uncomfortable with a loaded gun, you need toget to the range and practice a LOT more. Obviously not ready to carry a gun if it makes ya queesy!
There's a reason that this is what's called a 'dead man's gun'
If you're uncomfortable with a loaded gun, you need toget to the range and practice a LOT more. Obviously not ready to carry a gun if it makes ya queesy!
There's a reason that this is what's called a 'dead man's gun'
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YUP.
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There is a difference between carrying a loaded gun and carrying one not safe or unsuitable,I have 4 I can cc with 3 are loaded ,1 is not.
Sat night special from years ago sa loaded in pocket is no place for it to be.
It doesnt bother me at all , pa63 is a loaded firearm da pull and boom,keep it in detent not on safe.1911 a1 sure,1903,1908,tokarov,beretta 1934 and all those close in nature no.
That does not mean you couldnt carry one just not cond 1,of course others more suitable,may or may not be available,many on ss cannot afford a kimber.
My primary prior to the pa63 was a 32 acp Llama 1911 mini in all but a sear block and the 32 being a blowback from 380 up recoil operated or some are.I was cc it with a rd in the chamber and on half cock and a leo showed me how to do the draw and rack in one motion,so went to that since was actually as quick or even quicker than cocking the thing.
To be honest it with a grip safety if i had a holster with a strap that came in between the hammer and block id be tempted to carry it cond 1.Mostly mute since its place was taken by the pa63 most of the time.
Sat night special from years ago sa loaded in pocket is no place for it to be.
It doesnt bother me at all , pa63 is a loaded firearm da pull and boom,keep it in detent not on safe.1911 a1 sure,1903,1908,tokarov,beretta 1934 and all those close in nature no.
That does not mean you couldnt carry one just not cond 1,of course others more suitable,may or may not be available,many on ss cannot afford a kimber.
My primary prior to the pa63 was a 32 acp Llama 1911 mini in all but a sear block and the 32 being a blowback from 380 up recoil operated or some are.I was cc it with a rd in the chamber and on half cock and a leo showed me how to do the draw and rack in one motion,so went to that since was actually as quick or even quicker than cocking the thing.
To be honest it with a grip safety if i had a holster with a strap that came in between the hammer and block id be tempted to carry it cond 1.Mostly mute since its place was taken by the pa63 most of the time.
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I won't lie cocked and locked took some time to get used to but my 1911 will not fire I know this and believe this now. I carried cocked and lock for few weeks without a ND. I am a believer after that
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it's funny how people see a loaded 1911 with the hammer back and assume it's unsafe; what about a striker fire pistol, it's exactly the same, you just can't see it. how is it different just because it's out of sight?
My dad asked one time when I had my 1911 on me why I had the hammer back. Well, it don't go boom unless it's ready to go! no double action. it's designed by the most intelligent firearms designer on this planet, it has more than a couple safety mechanisms in place.
Even if the hammer somehow falls, the half cock notch will stop it unless you're on the trigger. beavertail grip safety, manual safety.. .and of course the number one safety, your brain and finger!
My dad asked one time when I had my 1911 on me why I had the hammer back. Well, it don't go boom unless it's ready to go! no double action. it's designed by the most intelligent firearms designer on this planet, it has more than a couple safety mechanisms in place.
Even if the hammer somehow falls, the half cock notch will stop it unless you're on the trigger. beavertail grip safety, manual safety.. .and of course the number one safety, your brain and finger!
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The easy way to show anyone who thinks that a empty chamber is a good idea or a safety thing simple drill. Stand at the firing line about 20 feet from he target have a friend stand next to you facing the opposite way have a third person yell go the person not facing the target starts running the person firing draws racks a round and fires when the runner hears bang he stops and marks there location. Then do this again with a round in the chamber. Notice the difference in distance. This is the drill I used to use teaching the CCW class to show how far away a person can be and get to you before you can draw and fire really makes allot of folks train a bit harder.
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what's the 'knife' distance that was proven in court years ago? 21' I believe, in the average time it takes the average person (cop actually) to draw their weapon?
can't imagine needing to rack a round on top of that, and of course assuming that you have two working arms/hands. you get shot/stabbed in one arm, how'r you going to rack that round? sure, there's the one handed, rack the gun by using the rear sight, but it's not very reliable.
people that think they'll have time to rack a round or retrieve a gun out of their glove box or any other un-handy place, have obviously never needed a gun to defend their lives or been in an oh-crap situation.
can't imagine needing to rack a round on top of that, and of course assuming that you have two working arms/hands. you get shot/stabbed in one arm, how'r you going to rack that round? sure, there's the one handed, rack the gun by using the rear sight, but it's not very reliable.
people that think they'll have time to rack a round or retrieve a gun out of their glove box or any other un-handy place, have obviously never needed a gun to defend their lives or been in an oh-crap situation.
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a empty gun is a club
why are we talking about this ??
even here
i unload for vehicles ( to go hunting or range) and reload when first able to
my flinter , i shoot a deer i'm reloading on the run , not that i want a coup de gra on the deer, but, so i can if needed, use the thing ! cause empty its a club and i'd like it loaded by the time i'm ready to set it down and field dress the critter incase i've also set some roo's a bouncing (shot's echo in the hills) and they bounce on by
why are we talking about this ??
even here
i unload for vehicles ( to go hunting or range) and reload when first able to
my flinter , i shoot a deer i'm reloading on the run , not that i want a coup de gra on the deer, but, so i can if needed, use the thing ! cause empty its a club and i'd like it loaded by the time i'm ready to set it down and field dress the critter incase i've also set some roo's a bouncing (shot's echo in the hills) and they bounce on by
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