So why carry a concealed pistol w/ an empty chamber??

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by 45nut, Jul 9, 2018.

How do you carry?

Poll closed Jul 12, 2018.
  1. Cocked and locked (chambered w/ safety on)

    76.5%
  2. chambered hammer down (safety off)

    29.4%
  3. not chambered with full magazine (NOT clip!! lol)

    8.8%
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  1. Stahlrosen

    Stahlrosen Well-Known Member

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    The comment was simply in regards to the statement that you needed two hands to rack a slide. You don't. I can't imagine that anyone would think it is just as fast as drawing and shooting, or gather that inference from the comment.
     
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  2. jsjj388

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    Maybe I should rephrase "you need two hands to effectively rack the slide in a life or death situation. Relying on said technique is asking to die in said situation. Carrying on an empty chamber means you either dont trust your gun, or dont trust yourself. Both cases are a recipe for disaster and increase the likelihood of being killed when you need your gun."
     

  3. Jack Ryan

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    If you want to, then do.
    If you don't want to, then don't.
    But for the love of God MYOB and quit obsessing over what someone else does. Grow a pair and make your own decisions and then live with it.
     
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  4. 45nut

    45nut Well-Known Member

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    Yes Science!! I did allow multiple votes but not for Democraps
     
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  5. TigerLeo

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    Thank you for the vindication! I was worried somebody might take a fence to that! (See what I did there?) Honestly, I really don't see what the point of carrying on an empty chamber is... I get having the safety on, but not having your carry ready to roll is like waiting until you've run out of gas to fill the tank. None of us carry hoping you use it. We carry hoping to have it if we have need of it. Putting your seatbelt on right before you crash might sound like a good idea, but the chances of having the time... It's just like the "+1" debate... If you have a firearm that's designed to do it, why wouldn't you want to have that extra round?
     
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    Agreed. But, its their lives on the line. I guess if they are willing to take an unnecessarily dangerous chance, let em.
     
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  7. tcox4freedom

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    What is your criteria for making such a determination?
    • Can the simple task of going to get gas be dangerous?
    • Can going to buy groceries be dangerous?
    • Can going out to diner with you significant other be dangerous?
    • Can going to church be dangerous?
    • When going anywhere how can you foresee if a place is going to be dangerous at any given moment?

    Personally, I can't know that any more than I can know what tomorrow may hold. So, I try to stay prepared this best I can no matter what. Although, a few generalities do exist in a dangerous encounter, there is no guarantee that anyplace we go can be ruled as NOT dangerous. Therefore, I see it as important that I treat everyplace I visit as potentially dangerous.

    I'm not being argumentative. I just want to make a point that the main reason people do not carry chambered is some insecurity with their weapon or insecurity in their abilities to prevent an ND. (Both issues can be overcome with more training.)
    JMH02c

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  8. jsjj388

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    Abnormally dangerous. Anything can turn dangerous, but I avoid places known to be dangerous.

    Such as

    • bad side of town
    • gas stations known to be druggie hangouts
    • unlit back alleys
    • known drug ridden trailer parks
    We cant know when trouble will come, but we can avoid situations that common sense says have a high likelihood of ending badly.

    There was a time when I would roam the dirt track pits just looking for a fight, I found plenty. But now I try and avoid fights, a few still find me.

    I think that if you had even a single inkling of common sense you would be able to comprehend what was posted, however you seem to be just looking to pick an argument.
     
  9. john Dean Fisher

    john Dean Fisher New Member

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    Primary full mag one in the tube....Secondard full cylinder
     
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  10. Don Fischer

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    Some of us are just old and old habit's die hard!
     
  11. Hovannes

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    FWIW My generation was taught to never trust a safety.
    One of the cardinal rules of safe gun handling.
    It takes a lot to mentally overcome that mindset.
    There was a whole 'nother universe before Jeff Cooper.
    I think I understand the OP's reluctance.
    Just sayin'
    IIRC the IDF's manual of arms for the 1911 (HP?) was for empty chamber carry and a "slingshot" draw.
    My preference is cocked and locked though.
     
  12. shootbrownelk

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    Doesn't the Israeli army carry their semi-auto handguns with an empty chamber? I forget where I read that. What is the reason for that requirement if that is indeed the case?