[PA Hunter]

Hi, I am drawn to older firearms which are no longer manufactured. I recently bought a Springfield/Savage Model 120 Series A. It is in beautiful condition, has classic American quality and the simplicity of a single shot 22. I am stumped by a mystery regarding cartridge extraction. After loading a variety of brands and cartridges (s, l, and lr), the bolt operates smoothly when extracting a loaded cartridge. As soon as I fire a cartridge (trying various brands and sizes), the bolt binds when I open it to the point that the extractor loses the rim of the fired case. The fired case then easily slides out of the chamber. There is not a problem with the chamber, nor the extractor. If anyone has a suggestion to explain my problem, I would greatly appreciate it.

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[oldfartrr]

u state that the bolt operates ok before u fire the cartrdge ?? have you turned the bolt down to lock the chamber and if so does it still work ok when you unlock the bolt ??

i have one of these and the sear can hang on the bottom of the bolt,if parts have been changed and not installed properly,,also check the fireing pin at the back of the flat are there any knicks or groves the sear may be hanging on ,,it and may need a bit of a smoothing ,,or just hold the trigger back so it holds the sear away from the bolt ,,, a bit of shimming between the sear and body so that it clears the bolt but still catches the fireing pin,, you have to set up the sear and trigger together to allow the sear to engage and still allow travel of the bolt..dont start grinding the sear down or u wont have material for adjustment later to compensate for wear or proper engagement of the fireing mechanism... email me or if am on here just message me

 

[PA Hunter]

Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I goofed (new to the forum or it's my senility), but, before I realized there was a .22 rimfire discussion, I posted my original question to the Technical area, above. Following, is my post, the reply, and my response. (Sorry about the confusion - I'll know better next time.)If you dry fire the gun, do you still have this problem? 2 things come to mind but answering would eliminate 1 of those problems. either firing pin protrusion is very excessive or the cocking cam in the bolt is in need of some love.
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Today, 09:02 PM #3
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Posts: 3 Re: Springfield/Savage Model 120 Extraction Mystery

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Hi, Helix_FR,
First, thanks for getting back to me so quickly! Second, thanks for the welcome to TheFirearmsForum. Third, I dry fired my rifle today with no empty case in the chamber, and when I opened the bolt, there was no binding, just like when I chamber a live round, close the bolt and open it. When I live fire the rifle, and open the bolt, it binds. If I place an empty (fired) case in the chamber and close the bolt, when I open the bolt, it binds.
If I understand correctly, the cocking cam in the bolt needs attention. What do you suggest?

P.S. I goofed with my original post, because I didn't know there was a discussion section for .22 rimfires, below, so I posted my problem there, as well (Sorry about this.) I received a response that may be consistent with what you said. It was a bit more technical than I understand, but I enjoy learning. Anyway, I am very grateful to be part of the FirearmsForum.

 

[PA Hunter]

Hi, OldFartr,
Sorry about all the confusion. I'm going to follow up on your suggestion, but first, I'mm going to try to learn more about the bolt parts you mention, si, if possible, I can make the correct repair.
Thanks for your help, and have a great day!

 

[oldfartrr]

u state that the bolt operates ok before u fire the cartrdge ?? have you turned the bolt down to lock the chamber and if so does it still work ok when you unlock the bolt ??

i have one of these and the sear can hang on the bottom of the bolt,if parts have been changed and not installed properly,,also check the fireing pin at the back of the flat are there any knicks or groves the sear may be hanging on ,,it and may need a bit of a smoothing ,,or just hold the trigger back so it holds the sear away from the bolt ,,, email me or if am on here just message me

first need to apologize last half on my previous post was not right,( tooo many things at once)
check to see if fireing pin ejecter in not hanging, just shake the bolt up or down and it should move easily,see attached pic, if it has crud around it, it can hang and could be binding on the fired cartridge..also as i stated previously if u hold the trigger back and rotate the bolt does it rotate freely ??? it might be easier to take the action out of the stock before trying to eject the fired cartridge,, and try to visually watch what happens when u manipulate the bolt it is a very simple action and easy to see how it operates.
as u rotate the bolt upwards watch where the bolt contacts the barrel (may have to use magnifier) also watch back of action at bottom of cocking handle, u can see if sear is hanging on the cocking handle.