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#1 ·
I had a new rifle that I purchased before hunting season one year. I had problems when I was breaking in the barrel and had to send it back to the factory. I got it back in the middle of hunting season. I immediately wanted to use this rifle and went to a range to sight in a scope. The range was filled to capacity and nerve racking. I sited in the rifle with 9 rounds. Couldn’t take all the b s at the range so I left. 9 rounds, was not a whole lot of time to get to know the gun. Took off for Tx on a Friday. That Saturday evening I decided to take a deer. It was no more than 125 yrds. The deer was perfectly broadside and I took the shot. The deer made a circle around a bush and ended up right back in the same place. The deer is still alive. I am 99.9 with my shots so I was stunned. I had a bit of doubt because the rifle and scope were new. I had only shot 9 rounds with it, but still wtf. Why is this deer not on the ground? I decided to just line up and do it again. Shot # 2 and the deer went down.

When I got to the deer there was what appeared to be one entrance and one exit wound. When my buddies showed up the first thing they said was “you gut shot that deer”. I said no, I had the deer perfectly broadside. The entrance hole was behind the shoulder and the exit hole was on the other side by the gut. Stunned again. How could I have shot this deer on an angle? I have killed more deer than I care to remember and hunted for many years. I knew I didn’t screw up. Yea, yea, yea you gut that deer, it’s gonna stink.

When I got the deer to camp and went to cleaning it, I discovered that the first bullet went in behind the shoulder, nicked a rib, hit the very bottom of the vertebrae and tore it up a bit, passed the rib cage on the other side, hit the cape, took a right turn, and traveled between the rib cage and the cape. The bullet exited where the rib cage ends by the belly. You could run your finger in the canal left by the bullet. The second bullet went in the same hole and went out the other side without hitting anything. A small hole was evident on the other side. Belly intact, no green ****.
This was a Rem factory load with Nosler BT 165gr .308

Anybody know what could have happened for the bullet to do this?
 
#2 · (Edited)
I watched a video several years ago put out by a Marine gunnery sergant who was a weapons expert and trained many of our troops in the use of firearms. One of his angles presented was to dispell "myths" about what kinds of things guns were and werent capable of . In one segment he showed how vulnerable fast moving bullets were to deflection . In your case it appears this is what has happened. Bullets are desingned to deliver their energy with a true head on impact. In this case the glancing blow on the rib turned the bullet kind of sideways and defllected it even further off of the spine altering the direction of travel at a slight rearward angle and the ballistic tip did it best to open the bullet as it traveled out through the gut.

I had an opportunity to shoot some wild hogs that had invaded a rice farmers fields and had been causing damage to his water checks as well as his crops. I encountered a young 150 lb. boar who was in the middle of one of these flooded rice fields full of nearly mature green rice. He wasnt coming out so I had to go in with my 30-30. I got to within 20 yds. of him when he began to get a clue something was wrong and started to take off. I fired a shot through about 18 inches of standing rice with a 150 gr. RN bullet hitting him about 5 inches back of the shoulder at a very slight quartering angle away from me. He stopped after a few feet just standing there making some distressful sounds. This lasted for about 15 minutes with no change. I decided I would have to risk going in on him again and opted to draw my 41 Magnum as it could fire heavier bullets faster if something did not go well. I was able again to get close and this time he raised his head and I fired one hitting him behind the ear and he was down and out. When I cleaned the hog I was curious as to why the 30-30 hadnt done its job. I had a well placed shot . I followed the wound canal to the other side of the hog and found the bullet just near the shoulder pushed up against his grissled armour plate . Looking at the bullet and the wound channel I was able to figure out what had happened. The bullet having stuck some of that green rice on its way to the animal had turned completely backwards and hit him butt first . No fooling , the tip of the bullet wasnt even scratched and the base was dented up a bit. Hows that for deflection guys ? I didnt see the video I mentioned until some 4 or 5 years after this and it all came into perspective.
 
#4 ·
It's been my experience that when you hunt hogs you NEED a bullet that is over 240grs. AND travels slower than 2,000fps at impact. Even the .44mag with 240 is not heavy enough. My favorite load on boars was Black Talon .44mag which was 250gr. and heavy enough to do the job and slow enough in a lever action rifle with a 20" barrel.

Since Black Talon is no longer made, for over a dozen years, I suggest Winchester's new Dual Bond in 454, which is at 260gr. and should be perfect for a new pig round, but haven't tried them, yet. Too bad Winchester didn't make a 250gr. .44mag version, 'cause I'd be all over that like white on rice.
 
#5 ·
I once saw a .30-30 bullet do this kind of thing. That was a typical 170gr flat nose.

The biggest change of direction I've seen with a pointed .308 was about 15 degrees on a deer shot about 100 yards away. That was a 165gr bullet.

The deer I've shot where I came close to the vertibrae, they went down immediately. Three years ago I shot a deer with a 300 gr .45-70 bullet. The bullet did not touch the spine, but looking into the body cavity one could see all of the bottom of several vertibrae in a row. Dropped like a rock.
 
#6 ·
sounds like the 'MAGIC' bullet that killed kennedy in 63'. Its a conspiracy!!! it was an inside job by the texas dept. of wildlife, there were 2 shooters on the grassy knoll, you were thier patsy! Dont smirk, you know that kinda stuff happens in Texas!!!
 
#7 ·
I think the chances of your 2nd shot entering the exact same hole as the 1st next to impossible. Particularily at 125 yards and with so little experience with the rifle. That you hit the deer at all seems nothing short of a miracle.

You didn't say if actually recovered the bullets involved. I would have to guess that you missed entirely with the 1st shot. The second struck the deer and then the bullet seperated after hitting the bone. One piece exited in one direction and one piece in another causing the two exit holes.
 
#9 ·
I think the chances of your 2nd shot entering the exact same hole as the 1st next to impossible. Particularily at 125 yards and with so little experience with the rifle. That you hit the deer at all seems nothing short of a miracle.
Why do you think a second shot in one hole is next to impossible at 125 yrds? I didn't tell you what I was shooting. I will tell you it has a set trigger with no creep and 1 1/2lbs of pull. What makes you think I missed with the first bullet? It doesn't take but 6 to 9 rounds to site in a scope with the right equiptment.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Even if you sighted it in with one bullet. If it hit where you wanted to and you went hunting with it there is no reason why you can't hit the same hole twice. I'm inclined to believe that one of them hit a rib and glanced off. Take a steel ball or a nut and throw it on a hard (concrete or a rock outside) and watch it bounce uncontrolably. Normally bullets go straight, but weirder things than a glancing bullet has happened. It would seem odd to me that after a bullet split in half on the far side of the animal that each half would contain enough energy to continue on to exit after such disruption. I'm also doubt that one could miss an entire deer at only 125 yards, especially if the sight in shots and at least one of the bullets hit exactly where it was intended. I think both hit. It's not like it was 400 yards away.