Discussion in 'VMBB General Discussion' started by rooter, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    ELECTRIC CAR...Hmmm... It makes you wonder...

    Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

    Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they're being shoved down our throats... Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

    At a neighborhood B B Q I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

    This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles... Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS!' and a shrug.

    If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

    Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors ... and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

    It will take you 4-1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

    According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.

    The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000+... So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

    I foresee the time that travelers that plug in at motels will be 'charged' an additional plugin fee, if they are not already.

  2. tuckerd1

    tuckerd1 Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2001
    Paint Rock Valley, Alabama
    People don't think about how much more infrastructure is needed to save a few gallons of gasoline. The energy is coming from somewhere.

  3. bumblebee

    bumblebee Well-Known Member

    Feb 24, 2013
    What do you do with the battery paks when they fail? Talk about toxic waste. Have you seen the price to replace? For the price difference between battery and gas, I can buy years of gas
  4. bamajoey

    bamajoey Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    One of my neighbors had to replace the batteries on an electric Camry, and if I'm not mistaken it was going to cost him 2-3 thousand dollars. It was only 5-6 years old. I'll stick with gas.:)
  5. jwdurf

    jwdurf Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 27, 2014
    Rural Northern CA
    The manufacturers get huge federal subsidies to build them, in the $18,000 per unit range, then buyers get a big tax credit, in the $7,000 range when they buy them. So taxpayers are subsidizing each electric and hybrid by thousands of dollars. Then, depending on what state you are in, the charging stations you see are either government grant funded or the owner of the business gets tax credits for putting it in. So you're paying for the installation of that infrastructure too.

    Now, ALL transportation is subsidized with tax dollars. Roads are built and maintained. Airports and rail systems are built and maintained. Our ports and docks are tax payer funded. But I hate this environmental social engineering based on bad technology and hidden money and lies about the environmental benefits.