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AntiqueDr
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(8/9/02 6:42:24 pm)
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Winchester Model 100
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These were sleek little rifles that can shoot really well, but they have a couple of problems inherent to the model that should be avoided.
We all know that 100's are subject to a recall. The recall involves the firing pin breaking within the bolt causing the pin to protrude from the bolt face. A slam fire (before the bolt goes into battery) can occur. To determine if a particular rifle has had the recall work performed, the bolt should be disassembled. If the firing pin is square in cross section, it is a post-recall part. This recall work is still being done by Winchester authorized repair centers.
The problem is one I recently encountered on a customer gun. It was locked closed (on an empty chamber). Took some finigglin' and cussin' to get it apart. The trigger housing unit on this rifle dovetails into a slot at the front of the receiver. The rear of the trigger housing unit is screwed up into the recoil block. As these guns wear, they develop slop in the dovetail on the front of the receiver. If the rear guard screw is allowed to loosen, even 1 turn, the rear of the trigger group can drop down far enough to allow the bolt assembly to fail to cock the hammer on rearward travel. The bolt then returns forward, but now riding on top of the uncocked hammer which jams it tighter than a duck's butt at high tide.
Most of the time, simply keeping the rear guard screw tight (Loc-Tite) works fine. The front dovetail could be peened and/or built-up and recut on extreme cases.
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kdub01
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(8/9/02 6:54:41 pm)
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I didn't know that!
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HondoJohn6508
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(8/9/02 7:59:19 pm)
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I think we can safely say that the Winchester Model 100 was not designed by John Moses Browning! Ol' John
bullelk
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(8/13/02 6:39:05 pm)
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I always liked the 100. I can't understand why Winchester ever let that line go and let Remington have the semi-auto market. I think it was a big mistake on their part. I'm surprised that they never reintroduced them.
They handled a lot better than the 742's and although not lighter, they seemed so. As far as I'm concerned, the 742 series handled like clubs. Lousy balance.
They 100's had some problems jamming, but most of what I found was faulty clips and poor cleaning.
I had one at one time that I cut the barrel at 21" and I couldn't beleive how it shot after that. It could drive tacks. I sold it and as far as I know it's still floating around this part of the country. (Maybe I should try to buy it again). I've heard that at times if you cut a barrel at a certain point, it can become super accurate. I guess that's where the concept of the Boss comes in. It tweaks the barrel at a certain point of the whip.
Any comments on this?
Edited by: bullelk at: 8/13/02 7:41:03 pm
AntiqueDr
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(8/14/02 12:22:28 am)
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Re: Winchester Model 100
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Winchester discontinued the 100 for purely economic reasons. The gun was considerly more expensive to produce than Remington's 740/742 and they were getting hammered on price point.
A lot of a barrel's accuracy is attributed to its 'harmonics,' or how the barrel flexes during firing. To oversimplify, a barrel of a given thickness has an ideal length where everything is 'right.'
We Buy Guns! 1 - 100, Antique or Modern!
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(8/9/02 6:42:24 pm)
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Winchester Model 100
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These were sleek little rifles that can shoot really well, but they have a couple of problems inherent to the model that should be avoided.
We all know that 100's are subject to a recall. The recall involves the firing pin breaking within the bolt causing the pin to protrude from the bolt face. A slam fire (before the bolt goes into battery) can occur. To determine if a particular rifle has had the recall work performed, the bolt should be disassembled. If the firing pin is square in cross section, it is a post-recall part. This recall work is still being done by Winchester authorized repair centers.
The problem is one I recently encountered on a customer gun. It was locked closed (on an empty chamber). Took some finigglin' and cussin' to get it apart. The trigger housing unit on this rifle dovetails into a slot at the front of the receiver. The rear of the trigger housing unit is screwed up into the recoil block. As these guns wear, they develop slop in the dovetail on the front of the receiver. If the rear guard screw is allowed to loosen, even 1 turn, the rear of the trigger group can drop down far enough to allow the bolt assembly to fail to cock the hammer on rearward travel. The bolt then returns forward, but now riding on top of the uncocked hammer which jams it tighter than a duck's butt at high tide.
Most of the time, simply keeping the rear guard screw tight (Loc-Tite) works fine. The front dovetail could be peened and/or built-up and recut on extreme cases.
We Buy Guns! 1 - 100, Antique or Modern!
www.apaxenterprises.com
Master Dealer for Kimber, Wilson Combat and Dan Wesson
kdub01
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(8/9/02 6:54:41 pm)
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I didn't know that!
"Keep Off The Ridgeline"
HondoJohn6508
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Posts: 96
(8/9/02 7:59:19 pm)
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I think we can safely say that the Winchester Model 100 was not designed by John Moses Browning! Ol' John
bullelk
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(8/13/02 6:39:05 pm)
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I always liked the 100. I can't understand why Winchester ever let that line go and let Remington have the semi-auto market. I think it was a big mistake on their part. I'm surprised that they never reintroduced them.
They handled a lot better than the 742's and although not lighter, they seemed so. As far as I'm concerned, the 742 series handled like clubs. Lousy balance.
They 100's had some problems jamming, but most of what I found was faulty clips and poor cleaning.
I had one at one time that I cut the barrel at 21" and I couldn't beleive how it shot after that. It could drive tacks. I sold it and as far as I know it's still floating around this part of the country. (Maybe I should try to buy it again). I've heard that at times if you cut a barrel at a certain point, it can become super accurate. I guess that's where the concept of the Boss comes in. It tweaks the barrel at a certain point of the whip.
Any comments on this?
Edited by: bullelk at: 8/13/02 7:41:03 pm
AntiqueDr
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Posts: 2969
(8/14/02 12:22:28 am)
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Re: Winchester Model 100
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Winchester discontinued the 100 for purely economic reasons. The gun was considerly more expensive to produce than Remington's 740/742 and they were getting hammered on price point.
A lot of a barrel's accuracy is attributed to its 'harmonics,' or how the barrel flexes during firing. To oversimplify, a barrel of a given thickness has an ideal length where everything is 'right.'
We Buy Guns! 1 - 100, Antique or Modern!
www.apaxenterprises.com
Master Dealer for Kimber, Wilson Combat and Dan Wesson