The fall of the American Empire...?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by glocknut, Mar 18, 2007.

  1. glocknut

    glocknut Active Member

    Dec 14, 2003
    I don't know if this article will pass muster with the higher ups here at TFF, but i'm gonna try it anyway. I think there is alot of truth in this piece....and it really hits home with my beliefs that our country is changing, and not for the better....
    Here it is.

    A Warning For America From South Africa
    By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

    People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
    Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.
    America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.
    Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.
    But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
    That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.
    Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."
    Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.
    The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.
    Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.
    It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the " politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
    White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.
    We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.
    The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
    Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.
    From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.
    A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.
    In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.
    What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?
    Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.
    In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.
    In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
    What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
    Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
    Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.
    In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.
    When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
    Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.
    What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
    Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.
    Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.
    To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.
    Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your posessions, your power, and your status.
    And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.
    They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.
    They know what to do.
    Do you?
  2. henry0reilly

    henry0reilly Member

    May 22, 2004
    I hope you don't mind, I quoted this post on a politics forum on another board.

  3. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    The USA is no South Africa!

    The whites of Europe invaded a black area of Africa, took it over and turned it into a "European" country imbedded in the southern part of Africa. In the process they did not include the blacks who were the majority of the population. In fact they segregated them, used them, and held them down socially. They created a two class society: the have-not blacks and the well to do whites. Yes, they made a country that was light years from what it was before they got there but they excluded the majority of the inhabitants, the blacks, which they surpressed.

    That is not how America has worked in the past or will work in the future. We have been through several invasions of immigrants in our history. It appears that at first they are shunned, fed into ghettos, and isolated. When they accept American values, take advantage of American freedoms, and think of themselves as American, and not as displaced peoples from other places, then they assimilate and dissappear into American society totally. It takes time but it happens. South African never wanted the blacks to be part of their society. They only wanted the blacks to serve their society and shut up. South African whites created the situation they find themselves in today by not including the blacks in their plan for a better South Africa. Now it is too late for them and nothing but a leveling of the social positions will fix South Africa. Unfortunately the have's will end up with less and the have not's more. Too bad they all could not have risen together over time.

    America fixed its slavery problem and with time our black society will recognise how to acheive success in America. The key is education. They are still learning that and some might never learn it. The Hispanic society in America has been here a long time and as it is fed new arrivals they too will see the light for success in America. Our current Achilles heel is the illegal imigrants. They don't fit because they are nothing more than displace persons from another country and would return to that country in a flash if their situation there were bettered. When these illegals return to their country and enter legally the opportunities will open up for them too. Our current challenge is to get them back to their homes and get them in line to enter legally.

    Anyone who believes there is any parallelism between America and South Africa obviously in not an American and does not understand America. The writer of the above article is a "have" from South Africa and is crying about the social leveling going on there. Unfortunately, they surpressed the blacks so long that the blacks have had to resort to violence, riots, and mob rule to get out of the oppression. That is what they know and will use.

    I feel no compassion for the South African whites! They made their bed and will now have to suffer the consequences. The other former white colonies in Africa are experiencing the same situation as South Africa and it is not pretty. Too bad, for a little insight in the beginning of European colonization of Africa would have gone a long way to having avoided the current situation.
  4. Tuttle

    Tuttle New Member

    Sep 12, 2006
    Lewisville Texas
    I can think of a many reasons why the post is garbage. Interesting, but still garbage.
  5. Bruce FLinch

    Bruce FLinch New Member

    Aug 27, 2005
    Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point
    The Author did make some good points regarding America. A lot of Americans are soft & don't vote. This has led to some unrest. As LD pointed out the Parallels between South Africa & the USA are a pretty short line. Interesting read. Makes me appreciate AMERICA!
  6. Glock and LDB, interesting posts both of you. The point in Glocknut's article does, I think, have some measure of validity, but only if it is interpreted to mean that we, as Americans, have a right to remain true to our values and to refuse to subrogate them to the prior cultural and ethical values of newly arrived immigrants. That fits well with LDB's point that America is, and has always been, a melting pot, a nation of immigrants, and thus our society has never remained truly static. LDB, I too get the hint of both racism and "sour grapes" in the article Glock posted, yet for all of that, the writer does make a very salient point: We must not, through some foolish sense of "political correctness," sublimate our own multifaceted, conglomerate culture to the whims of any single group, for in doing so, we destroy the very fabric of our own society, and the very thing these same immigrants came to America to obtain.

    Now, having said that, your point is also well taken, LDB. Anyone familiar with South African history knows well that avarice and the desire for empire were among the primary motivating factors for both the Dutch, and later, the English, in their conquest and settlement of South Africa, including the Transvaal and Orange Free State. Gold and diamonds are strong motivating factors indeed, and a readily available pool of labor to mine them certainly had influence as well! I might point out also that we did very much the same thing to the Native Americans in our own westward movement across the North American continent. Yet I think you are quite correct to point out that America is NOT South Africa. The factors involved--both political and cultural--are not parallel, nor is American society locked into the stratified nature of the Western European cultures (Holland and England) that came to subjugate South Africa. The ultimate key to American society is, I think, integration and assimilation. That can and will take place, as you point out, slowly but surely, so long as we do not lose sight of what America itself was founded to be. It happened with the the Germans, the Irish, the Chinese, the Japanese, and countless other groups over the 230 odd years America has existed.
  7. glocknut

    glocknut Active Member

    Dec 14, 2003
    You could have said that you disagree....

    As LDB said, America is no South Africa. I agree, but i think there are things going on in this country that parallel things in that article. We are becoming a very socialistic country. We have democratic politicians who admit they are "progressive" politicans who believe in re-distribution of wealth. Those same politicians love using "historical revisionism" to achieve their goals.

    And in America, if anyone honestly believes that the invasion of Illegal Aliens does not hurt our country both in crime and in jobs and quality of life.....well, that person is just fooling themself.

    The USA is changing...and not for the better. Politicians grab more and more power as time goes by. Taxation only gets worse. Our founding forefathers revolted against the Brits because of taxation and other issues. The current US government has gone waaaay past what the brits were putting on us and yet the best we can come up with is letter writing sends and the occasional peacefull protest. As far as protests go, those are used mostly by the far left. The rest of us have jobs to go know to pay the bills..and taxes....

    When i read that article there were parts of it that made me think of some things that were going on here in the US... Not the same exactly, but it makes me think of some things going on here that are out of whack so to speak.

  8. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    My take on the original article was "woe is me and look out America because the same will happen to you".

    The problem is the black South Africans were in the MAJORITY and the Brit and Dutch subverted them to get the spoils of the region. Then they aggravated the problem by keeping that majority black in virtual slavery, never attempting to help them out of poverty, and giving them little help in the education area. In short they needed them as virtual slaves and did nothing to change that. We fixed our slavery problem and immigrants from various places have sucessfully assimilated into American society. yes, we subverted our Indians but we lucked out because we were eventually in the majority and we attempt to help them assimilate which a majority have most certainly done. A large part of the American populations today has some Indian blood in them. That's assimilation!

    The fact that we are moving toward socialism has no parallel to South Africa and their current social state of affairs (uprising of the black majority). I do not like that and a whole bunch of other things happening here and I believe it will be our demise, eventually. But our problems bear little resemblance to South Africa's and I have no place in my heart for sniveling South Africans who created their own mess. I get upset when they attempt to compare us to them. They are doomed. Too bad but they created the situation--so they need to get used to it.

  9. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    I agree entirely with Pistol's analysis and comparison.

    I would like to point out, however, that the key to our great success over the past two hundred plus years has been that all important - -


    NOT the multicultural society that is currently driven by the supporters of "Political Correctness" to achieve a socialistic and global society contrary to the basic tenets originally envisioned by the Founding Fathers. This path, should it continue and not be broken, will eventually destroy our great Republic.....
  10. catfish83861

    catfish83861 Active Member

    Nov 15, 2006
    North Idaho
    Marlin, Sometimes yours and Pistol's knowledge leads me to believe that I made a terrible mistake in not pursuing an education.In short, Right On. I could not agree more. catfish
  11. Precisely so, Marlin. The process is not unlike the simple rules of courtesy and respect that allow all societies to function. When in Rome, one shoots Roman candles, not Chinese fireworks, so to speak, if I may be forgiven the use of metaphor. :D What I find so disturbing today is that too many of our own people have fallen for the tripe the liberals and "internationalists" are selling that we have something to apologize for because we are Americans and live in the United States. We don't, and those who wish to come here to live have the onus upon them to conform to our system and culture, not the other way around.
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