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I know there is a lot of banter about the Presidential "Debate", but this is slightly on a different subject. Many times the News Media (including Fox News) have demanded that President Trump denounce extremist/racist groups. Over and over the President has done just that - despite all of the 'journalists' turning a deaf ear and refusing to hear his words.

An example comes to mind: an obscure group calling themselves "Proud Boys" of some sort. I've never heard of them, and apparently neither had the President. It was demanded of him that he denounce this group of apparent whackos - and he did so on the premise that they were a racist hate group.

That wasn't enough for the Press. During a Presidential News Briefing, Fox News (?) journalist John Roberts demanded that the Press Secretary once again denounce 'hate groups' on behalf of the President. When the Press Secretary AGAIN repeated that the President was against ALL racist/hate groups John Roberts became indignant that she wasn't clear enough and accused her of dodging his demand.

The President has had hate/extremist groups (the KKK/ANTIFA/BLM et al) listed as domestic terrorist groups. Democrats refuse to even acknowledge the existence of ANTIFA - referring to them as some sort of "Right Wing Fantasy" - while the words AND *actions* of the President are deliberately ignored.

Further - I'd like to underline a huge (IMHO) fact: The President has been targeted by lies and made-up stories/statements that are repeated so often that even those who knew that these reports were lies when they made them - now believe those falsehoods to be true. A shining example of this was made by Chris Wallace during the (sham) Debate. Wallace made a claim that the President said 'There are good people on BOTH sides' suggesting that the President made those remarks directed at the KKK and Neo-Nazis during their counter-protest against BLM. Wallace KNEW that the President's words were directed to the Protesters and Counter Protesters on the subject of certain statues and monuments - NOT the KKK and Neo Nazis.

Disgusting. Understanding that Wallace did this for political attack on the President on behalf of the Swamp Creatures in D.C. and for former VP Biden in his bid against the President.
 

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Just more LYING by CNN et. al.
Did you see any of the press conference today?
The PS reeled off a half dozen times where Trump denounces "white supremacy".
Not good enough for the press.
The very same press that were so shocked at all the interrupting in the debates, all shouted over one another to ask the same question over and over again.
The same answer was given... "Yes"
Now CNN is running a chyron across the screen that says Trump will not directly condemn white supremacists.
The very same press will not ask Biden even one single time if he condemns the people burning down our cities.
I've had enough.
If you listen and believe the lies spewed for by the democrat media, then you and I have nothing in common.
 

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this is there platform:
The Proud Boys are a men’s organization founded in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes. McInnes has described the Proud Boys as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists.

Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the
 

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Like I said - I knew nothing about them.

Maybe I should have been more suspicious when the News Media proclaimed them to be 'evil'. The only item I see (after scanning their platform - THANK YOU Tree Dave) is the 'chauvinist' part that I might take exception to. Maybe I'm wrong, but to my interpretation, through many decades of hearing a popular definition of chauvinism, a chauvinist is someone who believes they are socially entitled due to their sex/gender. I could not agree with that if it stood alone - but that is my belief/moral value and not a reflection upon anyone else - and again per the definition of the word as I understand it.
 

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Now CNN is running a chyron across the screen that says Trump will not directly condemn white supremacists.
Because Trump doesn't name any any particular group by name just because the left says they are a hate group, regardless of whether it really is a hate group or just a group that the left hates, does not mean Trump supports supremacists, white or black. It just means he doesn't blindly denounce groups that the left hates just because the left hates them.

Jim, chauvinism is not something evil or hateful, it is a strong belief in something, in this case it is a strong belief that western society, capitalism, freedom of speech and religion, the right to keep and bear arms is better than the socialism, communism, and authoritarianism and revisionism that the left espouses.

noun
  1. a person displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.
adjective
  1. showing or relating to excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for a particular group or cause.
 

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Speaking of the "Proud Boys" I just read that their Leader is a Black/Hispanic mixture. MMMM how does that make it a White Supremacists group?
It doesn't.
This is the infuriating part.
The lamestream media simply lies. They lie with impunity. There's no recourse.
If you attempt to call them out, you become the target of the lies.
That's why they hate Trump so much. He sees through it. He has the gall ( in their eyes ) to call CNN what it is...fake news.
Trump is the biggest threat to their information monopoly, so they are pulling out all stops.
Since they control everything, they get away with it.
This is going to come to blows.
 

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Democrats are the only extremist/hate group I am aware of...
 

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Wife was pretty upset with President Trump, but I expected her to be because she gets very emotional and starts to judge with all her emotions in the forefront. I had not seen the debate, but when it was over she came to me and just based on her comments I was ready to not support Trump as she had made a pretty convincing argument.

Luckily I never take anything at face value until I research it myself. When I saw the debate as she had recorded it for me I saw that the President acted as he always had, so I knew not to expect a graceful person in a debate, but an attack dog, and that was what he was. When I got to the part of the white supremacy question all I saw was a man agreeing to denounce white supremacy groups but he kept asking who. He was just not going to denounce for the sake of denouncing. Had the moderator given a name or names of white supremacy groups and he was aware of what those groups do I am more than sure that he would have replied.

The wife asked me why I defended him so much and liked him. I told her that I do not like him. But I am not going to throw the baby with the bathwater because he brings certain emotions to surface. Making emotional decisions is man's downfall and I explained to her that because of him our 401K retirement funds are doing great, and that because of him I am able to own and defend our home from a tyrannical government; and as long as there are two people I have to chose from, I will chose the one that tells me to my face to go "F" myself but still believes in families having the means to arm and defend themselves from tyranny, and not the one that can sweet talk you with such eloquence and mesmerizes you with his vernacular that when the conversation is over, you are left with a smile in your face and you don't realize, that he told you to go "F" your self.
 

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So, we are to be surprized by the libtarded Drive By Media doing this, as they have been doing for years?
President Trump has had the cards all stacked against him from Day 1. Typical performance from the liberal left.
 

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Any group that is not Left is considered a Hate Group by them . Biden would not consider Antifa a group but an Idea ? That was why Trump wanted names . Yes KKK and Arian groups are hate groups but some are just anti left . I am not 100% sure about everything considered by the Proud Boys but I have seen very little they do or say that I don't agree with .Heard someone say that BLM is just the Klan with a Tan which did make me laugh but a lot of them are tanless !!
 

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Any group that is not Left is considered a Hate Group by them . Biden would not consider Antifa a group but an Idea ? That was why Trump wanted names . Yes KKK and Arian groups are hate groups but some are just anti left . I am not 100% sure about everything considered by the Proud Boys but I have seen very little they do or say that I don't agree with .Heard someone say that BLM is just the Klan with a Tan which did make me laugh but a lot of them are tanless !!
One of wifes cousins who I adore one of a set of twins she is 21 or 22 and of course attending a liberal college, is currently mad at me because I said KKK/BLM same group different race they should be best friends. She said.. You ..grrr.. you are part of the problem, you need to support the BLM i said i dont support racism.
 

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It doesn't matter what Trump says. He is wrong.

He could say 2+2=4 and they would say he's wrong or racist or something phobic. He could say gravity pulls things toward the center of the earth and they would say that's racist.

They will deny real facts to try to call him wrong.
 

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this is there platform:
The Proud Boys are a men’s organization founded in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes. McInnes has described the Proud Boys as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists.

Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the
AMEN! So what's wrong with that(John Roberts)?
 

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I have heard from more then one parent who tried to raise their kids with good values and did a good job at home but when their kids came home for break from collage it all had changed . Not all them teachers are that way but better do some checking on schools before sending them . We got some very liberal schools around here and never would of thought it till getting told by other parents . The only collage we could give our 2 kids had votech in its name !!!!
 
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