The truth, the whole truth and just enough bias to get the point across...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by armedandsafe, Feb 16, 2004.

  1. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    Pay particular attention to the first paragraph. Then, try to find a reference to "anti-gun lobby."

    Government Ends Release of Gun Records
    Associated Press

    WASHINGTON -- The government no longer is releasing records tracking the source of firearms used in crimes, a concession to the gun lobby approved by Congress last month.
    The change was enforced for the first time last week when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives turned down Freedom of Information Act requests made by The Associated Press and others for certain gun records.

    The change bars the release of any information that was gathered regarding gun dealers and forces the ATF to more quickly purge information obtained in background checks of buyers. Law enforcement agencies still would have access.

    The measure was added at the request of Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., to the big spending bill for multiple government agencies that was approved by Congress. The Bush administration, gun groups and other supporters said it was needed to ensure police investigations were not compromised by the release of data and to protect gun dealers from those who would use the information to unfairly tar dealers.

    Opponents said the Freedom of Information Act already allows agencies to withhold information gathered for law enforcement purposes or that could compromise investigations. Releasing data is the best way to identify rogue gun dealers, they said.

    Some law enforcement groups supported the changes. The Law Enforcement Steering Committee, a group of police organizations, opposed them.

    "This is all part of a calculated strategy to basically shut off the flow of information," said Dennis Henigan, legal director for the Brady Center To Prevent Gun Violence. "It's an effort to make sure that lawmakers, scholars, cities and the general public not have access to information that could actually inform public policy."

    But Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said the changes were "commonsense reforms that simply clarify current law."

    When a gun is used in a crime, the ATF traces the weapon back to the dealer where it was purchased. The data were first released after the NAACP won a lawsuit against the ATF in 1999. Before that, the information released by ATF typically was several years old.

    Groups like the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation used the data in studies on gun dealers, including one released last month that garnered significant attention. It found that about one-fifth of the 373,006 guns traced to crimes between 1996 and 2000 were sold by just 120 gun dealers. There are 105,048 licensed firearms dealers nationwide, according to the ATF.

    The media used the data and audits on gun dealers to trace the rifle used in the Washington-area sniper shootings to Bull's Eye Shooter Supply in Tacoma, Wash., which had a history of lost guns.

    For Chicago, the trace data are the heart of the city's liability lawsuit against "nuisance" gun dealers, said Benna Ruth Solomon, the head of the city's appeals division. The Supreme Court sent the city's lawsuit seeking the trace data back to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Gun dealer liability is an ongoing issue in Congress. Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, has introduced a bill that would protect gun dealers and manufacturers from liability lawsuits like Chicago's.

    Solomon said Chicago believes it can still get the gun trace data it was seeking since Congress only prevented the ATF from spending money to disclose the information and Chicago said it would pay.

    Republican Sen. John McCain called banning release of the information an attack on the Freedom of Information Act and said it was "absolutely appalling."

    "This information is not top secret data that jeopardizes our national security or hinders law enforcement," the Arizona senator said during debate in the Senate. "We cannot have a government that operates in secret and refuses to release information that shows where criminals have obtained a gun."

    But Tiahrt spokesman Chuck Knapp said disclosing the information could "jeopardize ongoing investigations which could endanger law enforcement officers' lives." According to supporters, criminals could learn they were being investigated if weapon information were publicly disclosed.

    The new law also requires the ATF to purge its records of background checks within 24 hours, rather than keeping them for 90 days. Gun-rights advocates say keeping the records for three months amounted to a gun registry.

    The FBI Agents Association opposed the 24-hour purge rule, saying it would let improper gun sales slip through the cracks. They cited a report by the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, that 228 of 235 illegal gun sales between July 2001 and January 2002 took more than one day to detect.

    Cox said gun dealers have to retain records of gun sales for 20 years, meaning there is a safety net through which mistakes can be fixed.

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  2. 1952Sniper

    1952Sniper New Member

    Aug 22, 2002
    Gee, how could I guess John McCain would be involved....

    Let's think about his statement for a minute. This is the guy who pushed through the so-called Campaign Finance Reform bill that prevents groups like GOA and NRA from talking publicly about candidates before an election; a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. But he wants information about us gun owners out in the public. I detect a double standard here. He has the gonads to talk about a "government that operates in secret and refuses to release information..." but he's the one who is responsible for quashing our basic rights of free speech to talk about what our government is doing!

  3. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    This A$$ Hole is worse than Arlen Specter in that he not only is a socialist/globalist in sheep's clothing but he is a very liberal non-constitutionalist to boot.

    Neither one is conservative or better thinking Republican. They both remind me of the traitors Jacob Javits, NY, and Pinky Case, NJ, who served the Democratic liberals/socialist/communists well in Republican clothing.

    These are the most dangerous kind.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2004
  4. Evilahole

    Evilahole New Member

    Mar 30, 2003
    Now don't go dragging me into this.:rolleyes:
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2004
  5. SouthernMoss

    SouthernMoss *Admin Tech Staff*

    Jan 1, 2003
    SW MS
  6. WyomingSwede

    WyomingSwede Guest

    Great many of these media darlings wear sheeps clothing.

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