This means we can all relax now, right?

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  1. LurpyGeek

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30389664/

    First 100 days: Assault weapons ban
    NBC News
    By Pete Williams
    Justice correspondent
    NBC News
    updated 12:14 p.m. MT, Fri., April 24, 2009

    WASHINGTON - Campaigning before a church congregation on Chicago’s South Side one Sunday in July 2007, Barack Obama said an epidemic of big city violence was “sickening the soul of this nation.”

    Among the potential cures, he said, was permanently reinstating a ban on assault weapons.

    One-hundred days into his presidency, President Obama says it remains a goal. But it is one the White House has been forced to abandon.
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    Voices of agreement
    President Obama and Vice-President Biden, “support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent,” the White House website declares. Shortly after taking office, members of the Obama cabinet added their voices of agreement.

    At his first news conference as attorney general, Eric Holder said, “there are just a few gun-related changes what we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban.”

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton endorsed the idea during her trip to Mexico in late March. “These assault weapons, these military-style weapons, don’t belong on anyone’s street,” she said.

    But the fire has gone out of President Obama’s goal of restricting the availability of firearms. “I don’t know of any plans,” said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, to seek an assault weapons ban from Congress.

    Attorney General Holder admitted as much when asked, during a recent session with reporters, whether he expected any push for a ban this year to curb the flow of guns from the United States to Mexico.

    His answer could have come straight from the National Rifle Association: “I think what we’re going to do is to try to, obviously, enforce the laws on the books.”

    Support evaporated
    Congress imposed a ban on what it called assault weapons in 1994, outlawing the sale and importation of 19 military-style weapons, copycat models with similar features, and high-capacity ammunition magazines. In a compromise with Republicans, the Democrats who controlled Congress agreed to let it expire in ten years unless it was renewed. By 2004, with Republicans in charge, support had evaporated.

    Democrats again control Congress, and a Democrat is once more in the White House, the same conditions that allowed the ban to be imposed 15 years ago. But the make-up of Congress is different, with little appetite for restricting gun ownership.

    The Senate’s majority leader is a westerner, Harry Reid of Nevada, where gun control is political poison. And though the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, comes from the more liberal San Francisco, she has shown no enthusiasm for reviving the assault weapons ban because of opposition among her colleagues.

    Sixty-five House Democrats wrote Attorney General Holder in mid-March, saying they “would actively oppose any effort to reinstate the 1994 ban” and predicting “a long and divisive fight” if the administration tried to push for one. Many of them represent rural districts, where gun control is no more popular than in Nevada.


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    Calderon: 'The future of Mexico is at stake'
    April 15: Mexican President Felipe Calderon tells NBC's Andrea Mitchell he's cleaning house "top to bottom" in Mexico, and would like to see the U.S. enforce its gun laws.

    By the time President Obama made his trip to Mexico, he conceded the battle would be futile. “None of us are any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy.”

    “What we’re focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws,” he said.

    Straw buyers
    Enforcement of the nation’s gun laws is primarily the responsibility of ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Its agents and inspectors check to see that gun dealers obey laws governing sales. They look for evidence of “straw buyers” – people legally entitled to buy guns who then sell them to criminals or others who don’t want any records tying them to a specific gun.

    ATF says such buyers are responsible for a large proportion of guns that wind up in the hands of violent drug cartels in Mexico.

    “These illegal purchases,” ATF’s William Newell told Congress last month, are “a key source and supply of firearms for drug traffickers.”

    The best way to improve enforcement of existing gun laws, said one veteran ATF agent, is to put more badges on the street.

    “Give us more people to inspect gun dealers, looking for straw buyers, in the states where the guns smuggled into Mexico are coming from,” he says.

    Hardball
    The number of ATF inspectors has remained remarkably flat in the past two decades, while support staffing has grown in other federal agencies, including the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration.

    ATF had 764 inspectors in 1990. It has 771 today.

    The number of ATF agents has risen 32% during the same period, but it is a comparatively small agency. ATF has 2,441 agents today, compared to the FBI’s 13,040 and the DEA’s 5,235.

    It’s no accident that the size of ATF’s inspections force has remained flat. The NRA has successfully fought efforts to expand inspections, claiming that licensed firearms dealers have been harassed.

    “Despite its crime-fighting mission,” a recent report from the Congressional Research Service dryly observed, “ATF’s business relationships with the firearms industry and larger gun-owning community have been a perennial source of tension.”

    If new agents are hired, says the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre, “You need to make sure they’re directed to go after the bad guys, because owning firearms is a right in the United States, and what you don’t want to do is harass law abiding people.”

    The NRA is on a roll. The Supreme Court ruled last year that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right of gun ownership, not merely the right of organized militias to arm themselves.

    Unless the mid-term election brings a substantial change in the composition of Congress, an assault weapons ban has little chance of becoming law under Barack Obama, and ATF will not be able to count on a larger force of agents and inspectors.

    Gun control, once considered a soccer-mom issue popular in suburban America, is again radioactive.
     

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    Relax, not for a second with this bunch. I won't relax until this guy is out and retired. And he can take Mrs J. Crew Huxtable with him. TJ
     
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    I don't trust Chairman Maobama or MSNBC. Isn't MSNBC the place where they feel a thrill going up their leg when he speaks?
     
  5. Stays_Crunchy

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    Just like Fox News is the place where they're already attacking the forth and fifth words out of his mouth when he's only on the third. Every media outlet is biased, I say to hell with all of them!!! :)
     
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    We must temper all that we hear, read, or see coming from the media. I will say that Fox at least, offers both sides and then bashes, as opposed to MSNBC who only ridicules the conservatives. They are entertainment, and as such they will try to entertain their target audience. TJ
     
  7. retired grunt

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    63.7% say no to the ban 31.6% say yes 4.7% say maybe ( all the maybes leaning to yes but wait till economy is fixed) Hold on to your seats folks this aint over
     
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    Numbers now 71.4% say no to a ban, 24.4% say yes and 4.2% are on the fence.
     
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    If he thought he had the votes to swing it, the ban would be in place again.

    Keep the pressure on your congressmen and senators.
     
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    Obama has publicly made the statement that right now there is not enough support for a ban but when the support is there he would revisit the 2A infringement on our rights. Pelosi has also issued a statement along the same lines as Obamas. They are sitting back and waiting for the right time to do it. Rest assured when the time comes these 2 will be the fisrt standing in line to reinstate an enhanced version of the AWB.
     
  12. obxned

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    That is an historic web page:

    In column 2, we have the wise words of our Fearless Leader, a crap-weasel who has never told the truth when a good lie was handy and who gained power while pandering to avowed communists. He'll never violate the Constitution and confiscate some or all of your firearms. Yeah, right.

    In column 1 we have news of a new flu strain. This could never become a crisis too good to waste, could it?

    The handwriting is on the wall, and those who have seen it are stocking up.
     
  13. paxter

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    I had read this article before and was somewhat relieved, but I'll never relax. As Doug 66 said, if he had the votes he'd be pushing it. The recent spate of killings is not helping either. Please don't lump in FOX with MSNBC, there is no comparison. Matthews and Olberman, need I say more?
     
  14. AL MOUNT

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    That's good..... :D:D:D

    My favorite, that I invented ,is...... :rolleyes:

    Benito MousObama...... :eek:
     
  15. Bobitis

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    What I find ironic is, the number of pro 2nd that still use the term.
    The word can be used as a noun or a verb.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assault

    It is not an adjective.
    Therefore the use as such means nothing.

    Proper grammer would require that the sentance structure be changed.
    "The weapon used in an assault" for instance.
    BIG difference.

    We use the term correctly when we say 'vehicular' assault.
    Do we call all automobiles 'assault vehicles'?
    Do we term the sticks used in our national sport 'assault' bats?
    What about all those 'assault' rocks in your back yard?
    I won't even go into verbal assault.:rolleyes:

    In my opinion, the term AWB should be disregarded due to it's stupidity to begin with.

    If the MSM would follow the rules of the English language, most folks would see how rediculous the phrase is.

    Call it what it is. A device used in an assault.
    Spitting on someone is considered assault.
    'Assault spit'.:rolleyes:

    Howsabout we tell the Mexican president that we'll curb the export of assault weapons when he curbs the export of assault drugs and illegal assault people.:D