U.S. Opposes Worldwide Controls on Small Arms

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    U.S. Changes Tone of UN Small Arms Conference
    By Evelyn Leopold

    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - In a blunt speech, the United States made clear it would not join an international plan to curb small arms if it infringed on the right of citizens to own guns.

    ``The United States believes that the responsible use of firearms is a legitimate aspect of national life,'' John Bolton, the undersecretary of state for arms control, told the opening session on Monday of a U.N. conference to curb small arms.

    Americans do not find all guns ``problematic,'' he said.

    The 10-day conference, chaired by Colombian Defense Minister Gustavo Bell Lemus, is focused on cutting down on arms trafficking that is fueling brutal conflicts around the world.

    But the line between legal weapons that turn into illegal arms is often a slim one. Europeans fear the United States, the world's largest arms producer, will shy away from any meaningful political commitments and side with China, Russia and India, who want looser controls.

    U.N. officials insist the conference is not about taking arms away from Americans but cutting down the more than 500 million small arms in the world, about half of which had been acquired illegally through arms dealers.

    But Bolton, accompanied by Representative Bob Barr, a Georgia Republican who is on the board of the National Rifle Association, rejected several points in a political statement under negotiation for the end of the conference.

    These included any markings of weapons beyond what the United States does now, a possible prohibition on private ownership of arms designed for military purposes, any steps toward a binding treaty. Bolton also rejected a mandatory review conference in five years as Bell Lemus advocates.

    ``We do not support measures that would constrain legal trade and legal manufacturing of small arms and light weapons. The vast majority of arms transfers in the world are routine and not problematic,'' Bolton said.

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    The United Nations (news - web sites) defines small arms as revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles, sub-machine guns, assault rifles, light machine-guns, heavy machine-guns, mortars, hand grenades, grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns and portable missile launchers.

    ``We separate military arms from firearms such as hunting rifles and pistols,'' Bolton said.

    Other countries, he said, should institute the same tough restrictions as the United States on the export and import of arms and regulations against brokers.

    The United Nations estimates there are more than 500 million small arms in the world, about half of them acquired illegally. Afghanistan (news - web sites) is awash in some 10 million light weapons and some 7 million small arms are circulated in Sierra Leone and Angola and continue to fuel civil wars.

    ``The problem is not so much the dollar value as the vast supply which makes small arms very inexpensive to purchase,'' said Louise Frechette, the deputy U.N. secretary-general.

    ``In some places an AK-47 assault rifle can be bought for as little as $15 or even a bag of grain,'' she told the meeting.

    Reaction to the Bush administration's policy was swift.

    ``I was amazed by the U.S. representative's remarks. It sounded like he wanted the conference to collapse,'' said Brazilian (news - web sites) Rubem Cesar Fernandes of the International Network on Small Arms, an umbrella disarmament group.

    ``They are defying the world. It was very arrogant,'' said Ilhan Berkol of the Brussels-based Group for Research and Information on Peace and Security.

    And Tamar Gabelnick of the Federation of American Scientists said Bolton was projecting U.S. domestic concerns onto problems affecting other countries.

    ``It is precisely those weapons that Bolton would exclude from this conference that are actually killing people and endangering communities around the world,'' she said.



    Well, it's a start, he shoulda used the "Cold, Dead, Fingers..." line, though.


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    Great post and even better news !!

    Thanks Polishshooter


    Guns don't cause crime anymore than flies caues garbage.

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    Very informative, Thanks PolishShooter

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    I wonder what this would have said if Algore was our President, instead of GW....(SHUDDDDDER........)
    I like Browning on my Browning.

    shooter22
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    Are there hints of a re-alignment in the superpowers?

    How far are we from leaving the UN? And how hare are we trying, or how hard are they pushing?

    SHOOTER22

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    You know, years ago in college ('79) I did a paper for a Seminar in US Foriegn Policy where I predicted the world would be bipolar, with North vs. South, instead of East-West....Haves against the Have nots, 1st against the 3rd world, technology against the masses of cannon fodder. The battlegrounds would be in the 2nd World countries, they could go either way...1st World wannabes or King of the hill in the fight with their 3rd World lackeys.

    US, Europe, Australia, Hong Kong,(the then)USSR against basically Africa, India, Pakistan, Iran, Korea...China was a wild-card that could go either way, South America would be a battleground, with all three classes present in a relatively small area...

    Got an A on the paper, but the Socialist SOB professor made all kinds of snide comments about it, but at least he graded fair.

    I pull it out now and then to admire my prediction "Communism will fall like a house of cards..."

    (But we won't talk of the other stuff I was WAY off base... )

    I wonder if anything else will come true, though...
    Patina is an acquired taste.

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    Interestring concept! I have kind of had thought on that, but have always seen China go our way with Australia and Russia. Keeping and securing Australia could be tough!

    Any thought?

    Polishshooter, lets build a better world.

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    I would like to propose that we introduce a new idea. Since gun control obviously doesn' work, MAYBE PERSONAL (self) CONTROL would work. Maybe we could all demand that people should conduct themselves like gentlemen and ladies. We could all demand proper behavior and accountability from the people we meet daily. NOT accepting or condoning rude, irresponsible actions or behaviors in ourselves or from others, sort of raising the standard if we could. After all, this concept of personal responsibility is actually what allows us to have a society where we do not legislate every aspect of peoples lives, but rather DEMAND that others act as worthy agents of the freedom that we all SHARE!!! Then we could all get on with the business that so urgently NEEDS to be done, like handing out FREE FIREARMS on every streetcorner in this country!! (just a thought)
    Liberty, baby!
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    polishshooter
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    Yeah, balance...When we hand out the free needles in the "Needle Exchange Program" we have a line right next to it for the junkies' neighbors for the free handguns in the "Gun Exchange Program..."

    Send the message there's more than one way to stop the spread of AIDS...

    Don't know, Shooter, the paper's name was "US Foriegn Policy for the 1980's."
    Not only does it date me, but it also shows how FARSIGHTED we were....

    I remember a line about the rail fence, no matter how you rearrange it you will always have a top and bottom rail, and we shouldn't really care about anything but staying on the top! Help as many people that REALLY want to up to the top, as long as we recognize SOME will always be a rung or two below, and some will ALWAYS be at the bottom.

    I think the prof called me a "Reactionary Cynic" or something like that. Since he was an avowed Socialist, I took it as a compliment.
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    the real fredneck
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    polishshooter
    do you have an address where you can get those $15 AK 47's? if so should we pool our piggy-banks and go into the parts kit business?

    polishshooter
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    Yeah, I was thinking that myself...heck, I may even go TWO bags of rice....
    Patina is an acquired taste.

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    C'mon Guys----
    Sell all the AKs you can----even give them away! When it comes time to use them, then, sell the triggers they didn't have and jack up the price of ammo 200%!!
    Maybe this type of activity would lessen the black market ventures and open up "real" problem solving for UN, etc...
    The Russian Mafia is really getting well selling weapons!
    Charlie D
     
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