Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Marlin, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    Received this in my routine mail just a minute ago. IT IS IMPORTANT. Please READ and TAKE ACTION.


    From: Gun Owners of America<Gun_Owners_of_America@capwiz.mailmanager.net>
    Subject: McCarthy & Schumer Bill Duping Pro-gunners
    To: Gun_Owners_of_America@capwiz.mailmanager.net

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    McCarthy & Schumer Duping Pro-gunners Into Supporting Gun Control
    -- Bill to bar millions more from gun ownership

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    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408

    ACTION: Please urge your Senators and Representative NOT to
    cosponsor the Schumer-McCarthy bill. Don't think that just because
    your congressman is "pro-gun" that he won't sign onto this bill.
    Some relatively good legislators have been duped into cosponsoring
    it. So your elected officials need to hear from you.

    After reading the alert, please send them the pre-written letter
    below. You can contact your Representative and Senators by visiting
    the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
    http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send them a pre-written
    e-mail message.

    (Tuesday, September 30, 2003)

    Remember the so-called "Our Lady of Peace Act" from last year?
    Well, Our Lady is back, but under a new name.

    Two notoriously anti-gun legislators have teamed up again to deny
    millions of additional Americans their right to keep and bear arms.
    They are Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy

    What makes this bill so dangerous is the fact that many Congressmen
    who are perceived to be "pro-gun" are supporting the bill as well.

    According to CNS News, a current NRA Board member, together with a
    former board member, appeared at a press conference last week to
    support the Schumer-McCarthy legislation. Specifically, Senator
    Larry Craig (R-ID) and Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) lent their visible
    support on Thursday in favor of the "NICS Improvement Act."

    NICS, of course, refers to the National Instant Check System -- a
    key component of the Brady Act which forces honest citizens to prove
    their innocence to the FBI before they can purchase firearms from
    gun dealers. The Brady Act, named after anti-gun lobbyists Jim and
    Sarah Brady, requires gun purchasers' names to be given to the FBI,
    thus creating the potential that the feds could keep an illegal
    registry of firearms owners.

    As of today, this new bill still does not have a number. However,
    it is expected that it will be almost identical with its earlier
    incarnation, H.R. 4757, from last year.

    As such, the bill could require states to turn over vast numbers of
    records (on potentially all Americans) to the FBI for use in
    connection with the Instantcheck. These records -- often containing
    sensitive, personal information -- could include ANY state record
    relevant to the question of whether a person is prohibited from
    owning a gun.

    This starts with a large volume of mental health records, but the
    FBI could also require that a state forward all of its employment
    and tax records in order to identify persons who are illegal aliens.
    It could require that states forward information concerning drug
    diversion programs and arrests that do not lead to prosecution, in
    order to determine whether a person is "an unlawful user of... any
    controlled substance...."

    GOA opposes adding mental health records because psychiatry is one
    of the most anti-gun professions of all. Consider the recent study
    published by the American Psychological Association. In the press
    release announcing the study, two Berkeley professors likened
    "right-wing conservatives" like Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan to
    Hitler and Mussolini. Huh? These shrinks are the people we want to
    determine who should own a firearm? The Second Amendment should
    never be in the hands of this profession.

    Regardless, one must realize that this bill is NOT about keeping bad
    guys and wackos from getting guns. Bad guys and wackos will ALWAYS
    be able to get guns, no matter how many restrictions there are.

    The bill would also help FBI officials to effectively stop millions
    of additional Americans from purchasing firearms, because they were
    guilty in the past of committing minor misdemeanors. You might
    remember the Lautenberg Gun Ban which President Bill Clinton signed
    in 1996? Because of this ban, people who have committed very minor
    offenses that include pushing, shoving or, in some cases, even
    yelling at a family member have discovered that they can no longer
    own firearms for self-defense.

    But the anti-gun nuts in Congress are upset because many of the
    states' criminal records are incomplete. As a result, the FBI does
    not access all of these records when screening the background of
    someone who purchases a firearm from a gun dealer. The
    McCarthy-Schumer bill would change all that and keep millions of
    decent, peaceful citizens from owning firearms because, in each
    case, of nothing more than a single, minor offense committed long

    This bill is all about control. Schumer and McCarthy want to keep
    pushing their agenda forward, making it impossible for more and more
    Americans to legally own guns!

    Already, the Brady Bunch is crowing that passing this bill "would
    represent the first substantial piece of federal gun legislation
    since at least 1996" and that such passage would "explode the myth
    that nothing can be achieved on guns in [a Republican] Congress."

    They might well get their way since prominent Republicans like
    Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah are supporting the bill.

    The Schumer-McCarthy bill is an anti-self-defense piece of
    legislation that will only make the country safer for criminals
    while opening the door to invading the privacy of all Americans.

    ------ Pre-written message ------

    Dear Representative ______________,

    I urge you NOT to cosponsor the Schumer-McCarthy bill, which has
    been dubbed the "NICS Improvement Act."

    The Brady Act has been a complete failure, and it does not need to
    be improved. Not only does this bill violate the Second Amendment,
    it creates the very real potential that the FBI would illegally
    maintain a gun owners registry -- despite existing prohibitions in
    the law. (Remember how the FBI illegally provided files on
    prominent Republicans to President Bill Clinton in 1996?)

    More to the point, the Brady Act has not stopped criminals from
    using guns in crime. One of the nation's leading anti-gun medical
    publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association
    (August 2000), found that the Brady registration law has failed to
    reduce murder rates.

    It's no wonder. Criminals don't obey gun laws. Plus, laws such as
    the Brady Act have utterly failed to put criminals behind bars. In
    a fact sheet entitled "Instant Registration Check Threatens Gun
    Owners' Rights," Gun Owners of America notes that in the first five
    years the Brady Act was in force, eight people were prosecuted under
    the Act and only three were sent to jail. So while the Brady Law
    has been a failure at stopping bad guys, it has succeeded in giving
    gun owners' names to the FBI.

    Regardless, you took an oath to uphold the Constitution -- a
    document which includes a protection stating that the right to keep
    and bear arms "shall not be infringed." But the Schumer-McCarthy
    bill is an infringement! Among other things, this bill will result
    in millions more Americans not being able to own guns, simply
    because they committed a Lautenberg-type offense, such as pushing,
    shoving or, in some cases, even yelling at a family member.

    Finally, I am very uncomfortable with the idea that this bill could
    give the FBI access to all of my private tax and financial
    information. This is a dangerous expansion of federal power, and it
    is decidedly un-American.

    Again, I hope that you will NOT cosponsor this bill. And I would
    like to hear from you about whether you support this massive
    increase in gun control.



    Get the facts! The GOF Gun Control Fact-Sheet is your free,
    comprehensive guide to the truth about gun control vs. gun rights.
    Written in a concise manner, the Fact-Sheet is nonetheless
    fully researched (over 150 footnote citations). It shatters
    the gun grabbers' phony arguments and provides you with powerful
    proof for use in making the pro-gun case. Stop by
    http://www.gunowners.org/fs0101.htm to download or print a copy.


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  2. Gunfyter

    Gunfyter New Member

    Mar 25, 2003
    Western Maryland

  3. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Sent it out to my Senator!
  4. SouthernMoss

    SouthernMoss *Admin Tech Staff*

    Jan 1, 2003
    SW MS
  5. 1952Sniper

    1952Sniper New Member

    Aug 22, 2002
    Done! And I'm going to share this on some other boards too.

    Keep up the good work!:)
  6. Zigzag2

    Zigzag2 Guest

    Done too!

    My neighbor noticed this very topic on this mornings early news and called me. He's concerned about a restraing order put on him several years ago

    No arrest or conviction.
    And since, he's renewed his CCW and has bought guns.

    What if anything does he have to worry about?
  7. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    The best advice that I could give is to give NO advice.

    But, as a retired jurist, I would highly recommend a consultation with local counsel, who could interpret the law as it would apply to the local and state statutes since they differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

    Additionally, in one's search for a good Attorney, he should do his homework well and determine who at bar is known to be friendly to the 2nd Amendment and the preservation of the RKBA. The total picture, based on the facts, should be judged in view of 2nd Amendment rights guarenteed by the Constitution.
  8. MarkBall

    MarkBall New Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    SE Nebraska
    Now, doesn't the oath of office require a sworn statement to "uphold & defend the Constitution of the United States"?

    Because of that specific passage in the oath of office, any bills or laws passed that directly infringe on the Constitution, could be seen as treasonous. But someone would have to prove it. And when the Supremes decide to not hear cases, what other recourse does a person have.

    Vote. Vote. Vote. Write your congressman, senator, ones in neighboring states & jurisdictions.

    Hmmm. I wonder if we could have a recall election for some of these congressmen & senators?

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