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Which model is this old Smith & Wesson?

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Picked this beaut up for $300, not really a steal or a deal or anything, but a fair price I think. According to the serial number, it was made between about 1949-1950 I think. Curved front sight, extra screw on the side plate, all the cool early stuff of a post-war gun.

What I'm not clear on is the model designation of this gun, is it an M&P? A model 10? I know it's a K frame, but that's all I know. Well, that and I think ti was made between 49-50 based on the serial number and some information I found elsewhere. The serial number on the bottom of the gun doesn't seem to match the serial number by the cylinder, unlike my 15-2 and 686-6, which is odd, but maybe normal for this era? I don't know.

Anyway it had period correct Franzite grips on it, and by period correct I mean EVERYONE was putting these things on EVERY wheel gun back then. I promptly removed them, not because I dislike the look, but because I disliked the feel. I don't know if the wood grips I got off fleabay a while back for about ten bucks are era / period correct but they're nicer than those oddball Franzite grips. Here's some pics of the gun I'm trying to identify, and my other two S&W revolvers, thanks for your help on this one.











And sans the "Franz" grips

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The experts will be along shortly, but on fixed-sight S&Ws of that era the serial number is on the butt; the digits on the crane are an "assembly number." If you are correct on the manufacture date ('49-50) then it is called a "Military and Police." The model numbering system was implemented in 1957-1958 IIRC, at which time the "M&P" received the designation "Model 10." This assumes your revolver is chambered in .38 Special; the .38/200 nee .38 S&W was called the Model 11.
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I couldn't have told you as much as you know except, those immediate post war S&W's were some kind of nice revolvers. Honestly, I like the Franzite's better.
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The experts will be along shortly, but on fixed-sight S&Ws of that era the serial number is on the butt; the digits on the crane are an "assembly number." If you are correct on the manufacture date ('49-50) then it is called a "Military and Police." The model numbering system was implemented in 1957-1958 IIRC, at which time the "M&P" received the designation "Model 10." This assumes your revolver is chambered in .38 Special; the .38/200 nee .38 S&W was called the Model 11.
Yeah it's a .38 special, forgot to mention that, it's VERY similar to my circa 1965 model 15-2, different sight, side plate, and a few other things but they look very closely related.

I couldn't have told you as much as you know except, those immediate post war S&W's were some kind of nice revolvers. Honestly, I like the Franzite's better.
The Franzite grips look cool but they don't feel as good as the old wood grips, I don't plan on shooting this gun much, if I want to shoot a .38 I'll shoot my much more worn circa 1965 15-2, or just fire .38's out of the 686-6 .357 magnum I have, so the Franz grips might go back on.
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If I'm reading that serial number correctly - glare on the picture - it's 185,000?

That number was made between 1909 and 1915. 146900 to 241703. Since it's about halfway between, I would guess about 1912.

So it would be a 38 Military and Police revolver, model of 1905.
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If I'm reading that serial number correctly - glare on the picture - it's 185,000?

That number was made between 1909 and 1915. 146900 to 241703. Since it's about halfway between, I would guess about 1912.

So it would be a 38 Military and Police revolver, model of 1905.
C 185911

I don't believe it's that old, since it is a K frame revolver, according to this site, C 1 - C233999 were made between 1948-1952, this being a C185911 I'd say somewhere around 49-50, probably.

Anyway what I'm really wondering is the specific model designation. I believe it would be M&P but I do not know for sure.
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The upper sideplate screw was deleted in 1955. The C prefix serials ran from '48 to '67.
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Well, like I said, there's glare on the picture. I could not see the C prefix, so was going strictly by the numbers.

Since it was made before 1957 there is no model number. It's simply a 38 Military and Police revolver. Or 38 M&P, if you prefer.
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Well, like I said, there's glare on the picture. I could not see the C prefix, so was going strictly by the numbers.

Since it was made before 1957 there is no model number. It's simply a 38 Military and Police revolver. Or 38 M&P, if you prefer.
That's what I was thinking, thanks for clarifying!
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If I'm reading that serial number correctly - glare on the picture - it's 185,000?

That number was made between 1909 and 1915. 146900 to 241703. Since it's about halfway between, I would guess about 1912.

So it would be a 38 Military and Police revolver, model of 1905.
Alpo: gotta C in front of it. Immediate post-war.
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I truly wish I got to that revolver first. Looks to be a beaut! I do like those older revolvers.

The information is - in total - correct. Made after the Second World War and prior to 1955. (To be honest, S&W says they never kept records of when serial numbers went off the line like Colt did (does?) but rather 'changes'. And they did use up the parts left from the last change. So, sometimes the lines between a XX-01 and an XX-02 are a bit arbitrary and have a bit of tolerance on either side. Not a big deal over all.)

Keep the 'other' set of grips some where safe. The original wooden grips should have a penciled, hand written serial number inside them that indicates they were fitted to that revolver. Collectors count that as important. The Franzite grips are indicators of the actual era of ownership. Collectors will not sneer at them, nor should anyone else.

S&W says a revolver with model number - from 1957 or so - is rated safe for +p ammunition; which implies prior to that are not. And probably no need for it anyway, so do not use +p ammunition in the old darling.

$300.00 for that is a delightful price. If you see the person again, give them a kiss. At least be polite. If you wanted to sell it for $350.00, I'd probably hurt myself getting money from my pocket.
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Thanks again for y'alls input, it was way easier to identify the 15-2 I own as well as the 686-6 Deluxe Plus than this gun, though I had some idea it was just an M&P and nothing more. It is a special gun though, one I hope to make part of a larger collection of S&W's.

I do not, unfortunately, have the original grips for the M&P, they are lost to time, nor do I have the original grips for my 15-2, it has some PGS (Precision Gun Specialties) "Hideout" grips on it. If not for the PGS logo emblazoned on the inside of the grips I'd have no idea who made them. Considering that company has only been around since 1988, and my 15-2 is from 1965, I don't consider them period correct, and in fact, don't like them at all. Smooth, untextured, just kind of cheap feeling.

Anyway here's a pic of all my revolvers together, 'cause, you know, wheel gun porn. Side note, I don't carry any of my S&W revolvers. I have a well worn Glock 19 Gen 4 with nightsights for that, another bargain special at $400, shoots fine, has all the holster wear, fine by me for a carry gun. Further side note, the Heritage Rough Rider at the bottom is not a gun I'd recommend unless you get it dirt cheap and only use it for plinking, it is not a good varmint gun, mine and a half dozen others I've shot all have light strike issues. I got mine dirt cheap as a blemished model, so no regrets for a plinker.

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DR don't give up. Your 'just an M&P' is the primary revolver inspiring the S&W reputation. Those grips are not original but you may find some period correct S&W or period replacement grips that were popular at the time. Fitz grips are often make of plastic, but some were wood and they can be found.

By the way most of us have some nasty old something we don't mention much. Some are useful in some specific way and I have one or two I would use as sinkers if I were a deep sea fisherman. Keep learning and looking.
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